Author Topic: Horvath Patents Allowed Engine To Run On Water Improved Electrolysis Efficiency  (Read 15178 times)

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I studied the Horvath Patents for a long time,way back, and understand the circuits. A duplication does not need a new cast carburetor and machined spoked electrodes as in Patent. The Electrical circuit is just a beefed up capacitor discharge ignition for MAIN POWER, with improved efficiency electrolysis for hydrogen and oxygen at 40 amps, 450 watts battery draw. The spark plugs are changed to zero ohms racing type or just get Champion brand with same reach threads and remove resistor from top, and replace with bit of #12  copper wire segment. The gases flow from water safety can to a "spud in jet" as fitting on side of old 1 barrel carburetor at the venturi point. This beveled copper tube + farrow seal cap was also used on small engines on propane conversion without the expensive type kit purchase. Read Patent  3980053, then I can answer you about how it works. A 1994 Chevy Geo Metro 3 cylinder engine with fuel system injector replaced with a used, single barrel Carter carburetor would suffice. You make an aluminum plate adapter. It has a distributor that can be adjusted for timing. The Patent transformer core size was given, so as I had enlarged photo on copy machine to get size of other parts.Substitutes can be used when ordering parts as long as the necessary design systems are included. The on time of current pulses was 42 microseconds out of 100..  1 / F = Period of frequency.10khz = 100 microseconds time. The duty cycle of oscillator was .006. 22 amps cap discharge = 300V DC X  square root of 1microfarad / 185 microhenries coil of TR2 primary.. Frequency of pulses to SCR was 10,000 cycles. Tr1 FERRITE type transformer charges up the capacitor to 300v AC.  Diodes added for full wave DC..Main capacitor HAS TO BE ONLY polypropylene 1MFD AT 1000 VOLTS DC type as LOW esr.  The 22 was amps into primary of TR2. The secondary side was 10:1 ratio. The fast switch SCR is only the high frequency type like a GE model 35 amp. The reverse pulse on the primary side circuit of TR2 shuts off SCR inbetween pulses automatically. The 200A cell pulses creates more Hydrogen with the aid of magnetic field.The TR2 secondary uses NO DIODE RECTIFIER as the pulses ARE called "critical positive wave" with core as laminations, for the high frequency , instead of ferrite. This causes degraded pulse wave as positive DC. Get laminations from take apart microwave old transformer. You would build NARROW rectangle box of high temperature Gray pvc plates. . Two  SS magnetic type plates and metal strips to add to each for spokes. The large Alnico or small multiple STRONG Neodymium magnets get taped to outside of box. N + S on opposite sides box.  The cover gets holes for various brass fittings. Cut out rectangle rubber seal and drilled + tapped  holes for cover screws.Magnetic  Field is between the electrode strip gaps under water. The Oxygen and Hydrogen gaseous bubbles rise up and transfer to special brass wool type fast one way valve before entering the safety water can. Water cell should use baking soda with distilled water, so as no cleaning of container minerals build up. The Metro engine compartment is LARGE and has plenty room to work. Engine could also be put on engine stand, but you would need the Bell housing because the starter motor mounts there.. The car called Geo Metro XFI model with 3cyl did get the highest gas mileage of any car- 52MPG. In Canada it was called the Firefly. Don't forget to buy test meters such as LCR tester. The Analog type face + needle multimeters will measure volts at high frequency, not digital. Float valve attached to cover and small DC water pump, white plastic plug in breadboard for oscillator, ect, you get the idea. I have the sheet of proof reading corrections from poor Patent examiner mistakes.
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Nice!

I am still in for continuing the Horvarth cell setup....


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You should study the Horvath US Patent - 1976 - 3980053 about adding magnetic field to magnetic electrodes for Hydrogen generation using 600watt capacitor Discharge Power supply at 10khz. 200amp pulses DC from critical positive wave as DC without rectifier. First transformer is ferrite core, second is laminations low frequency.
SPECULATION-- changed to narrow plastic box with exterior magnets with internal MAGNETIC TYPE SS plates with ribs facing each other's electrodes. Improved efficiency electrolysis as overunity, running  car engine on water tank. Plates and ribs have manually roughened  knurling and single barrel Carter used carburetor that has a spud in jet mounted at venturi point. - just like in the olden days of propane conversion of small engines. Machined aluminum adapter 1/8"  plate made to match manifold to carter carb.  (Special cast new carb not needed and gases separation screen not needed. Fuel upon demand going to safety water can and one way valve.!)

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I had long time back made up a revision sheet for the Patent office proof reading mistakes, typos, on the issued Horvath Patent, 3980053 by line number. This Patent is one of the very few that was nearly and accurately complete.Some part numbers have been superseded , as for instance SCR to IRF pass transistor N channel  MOSFET . Full wave DC can be  either 2 diodes or 4 diodes. There are 2 duty cycles as on oscillator bread board and also the water cell duty cycle. .006 and .42. Transformer TR1 is best made with Ferrite core set as EE type with plastic bobbin. As long as the basic design is adhered to, minor changes could be made. 450 watts power draw at 40 amps as beefed up CDI power supply, will operate 4 cylinder engine , and best done with older year vehicle without computer control. I was quite amazed with the Horvath design, -- of the low volts output type, rather than his other high volts output type or the third one as radiation tube mounted in center of water cell. I have all the old general newspaper articles photocopies on his invention shown to public. The 10khz pulser that allows DC pulses of capacitor discharges, formed Hydrogen and Oxygen gases fuel with efficiency increase from the spoked- directed  magnetic field.applied..

 I was enthused at the time, with the 1994 Geo Metro 3 cylinder car for a conversion.(42MPG) Lots of under hood space to work and exchange fuel injector for used Carter single barrel carburetor. 1994 on, Geo Metros had  better, stronger metal frame chassis.I put one of those engines on a homemade engine stand on casters. The computer box and cables controlled ignition still worked and the bell housing was needed as the starter mounted there. The engine was still verified starting with Ether spray in the air intake of fuel injector.  Buy a used one from out of state,-- not in the rust belt states. Down south or out West. My old van was special ordered from Colorado with $400 shipping charge- All clean steel underneath no brown rust. 
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You should study the Horvath US Patent - 1976 - 3980053 about adding magnetic field to magnetic electrodes for Hydrogen generation using 600watt capacitor Discharge Power supply at 10khz. 200amp pulses DC from critical positive wave as DC without rectifier. First transformer is ferrite core, second is laminations low frequency.
SPECULATION-- changed to narrow plastic box with exterior magnets with internal MAGNETIC TYPE SS plates with ribs facing each other's electrodes. Improved efficiency electrolysis as overunity, running  car engine on water tank. Plates and ribs have manually roughened  knurling and single barrel Carter used carburetor that has a spud in jet mounted at venturi point. - just like in the olden days of propane conversion of small engines. Machined aluminum adapter 1/8"  plate made to match manifold to carter carb.  (Special cast new carb not needed and gases separation screen not needed. Fuel upon demand going to safety water can and one way valve.!)

Thanks
I already have the cell setup and the lamitated core that fits in there also.
The rest still has to be made.
I did some experiments with magnetisme and i seen the ions in the waterbath running for their lifes..... ;)

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The Horvath Patent shows how each stage works and gives part numbers, which today, can be superseded by more modern parts. A manufactured carb is not necessary and single barrel carb like the Carter, can be used with a side spud in jet, and aluminum adapter spacer under carb to mate to intake manifold. . The separation SS screens are not necessary. The output gases go through a mesh and then to a FAST check valve and on further to a safety water can with pop off cap. The second transformer TR2 has LAMINATIONS., not ferrite like TR1. The high frequency primary pulse of approx 22 Amp goes out as a CRITICAL POSITIVE DAMPED WAVE and without a diode on the SECONDARY side. The high frequency comes out and goes to a low efficiency low frequency core, and changes to a PLUS wave for DC without a diode. The center magnetic electrode was made in a machine shop using a FLYCUTTER tool on adjustable drilling machine..
The whole set up seemed too fancy for me, so years ago I looked into a cheaper, better way  of electrolysis cell construction. High temp gray PVC thick sheets cut to make NARROW rectangular box with 6 sides and removable top. Very narrow, just to fit in 2 magnetic, knurled plates with knurled strips screwed on for flutes. The set of STEEL plates with knurling and flutes was sent to machine shop for electroplating with NICKEL. Narrow working gap in exact center of cell and mounted with SS screws. Large, strong, flat  permanent magnets N + S on each side  taped on with duct tape. The magnetic field at flute tips face each other at cell center, and the water space in between. The float module mounts on end with spacer baffle. The needed adjustable vacuum switch is now $42, or can use several cheaper used ones from junk yard of foreign cars. Lift hoods, and look on inner fender or on firewall .Look for the screw adjustment and wire connectors to identify as proper ones. The duty cycle of oscillator was .006 The duty cycle of cell operating was .42.  1/F = Period of cycle. duty cycle is on time / period time. Duty cycle of Inverter stage 50% or .5. The use of old style SCR allows for automatic shut off for the next pulse. I believe it was a GE 35 amp, 600v and high frequency only. This type of design of cell uses static type magnetic fields - not pulsing field. You need scientific calculator, inductor test meter, and analog needle type multimeter to be able to measure high frequency volts. Practice with formula for the cap discharge into TR2 primary coil of transformer.   I pulse amps = E volts times square root of C farads divided by L Henries.    22A = 300 X square root of .000001 Farad / L.  L = 1 / .005377 = 186 times 10 to the minus 6th Henries or 186 microhenries of primary winding of proper gauge insulated magnet wire. Resonance frequency  LC = 1 / 6.28 times square root of L X C. Therefore, 1/2 of this is the positive waveform  or 42 microseconds as the discharge of C5 into primary inductance L. Pulse width cell on time is 42 microseconds out of 100 microseconds. 
To get a size of parts as in Patent, we knew the size of TR2 core. I put patent photo on adjustable photo copier machine, to get measurements of actual size of cell parts by various enlargements.
(Just the use of magnets can make hydrogen from water without wires or electricity!) You should already know this. If you don't, then write back.
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Why did you put the danforth info in there?

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An optional method of making HORVATH TYPE magnetic spoked electrodes for use with PULSED magnetic system, could be using a section of steel exhaust pipe with drilled holes around edge. Steel square rod would be sawed to several same lengths and screwed on to the pipe. Either the flutes need to be ground down on stone wheel with vise grips separately, so as somewhat pointed, or whole unit put together first and held against the grinder wheel. The electrode unit would then be sent out to machine shop for Nickel electroplating. The outer steel ring with vertical steel strips attached would be sent out the same time for plating. Also, a galvanize steel pipe nipple with end screw threads can have PVC screw caps fit on to hold transformer-- out of the water solution. I did knurling on my flat plates electrodes and flutes. The rough surface allows quicker release of gas ions in solution. Some guys use coarse sandpaper cross ways, as easier/cheaper method.  Just a few more notes I forgot to add..