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Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2023, 10:18:10 am »
SS = stainless steel .. I was asking you what grade you used..

You could try to cook the electrode after forming the said layer..

I’m not sure what’s in that layer… sure is not Na … so is probably something you get from the water …


Aluminum can form a nice coating… but I also cracks… there is one kind of material called aluminum nitride that is used today in the packaging insulation.of power igbts and diodes … not sure how to make it

The difficulty’s here is the difference in expansion coefficients.. so it will crack the oxide layer if the underneath layer is not expanding equally…

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Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2023, 10:51:46 am »
During Faraday electrolysis, molecular Hydrogen and Oxygen are formed on the electrodes, so the bubbles are large and transparent
During the Meyer process, atomic Oxygen and Hydrogen are formed; therefore, a layer of "milk" is formed in the water and there are no large bubbles

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I have not experimented with aluminum. But I know that aluminum oxide gives resistance to electrical breakdown of 3000 volts. But there is a complex technology for obtaining oxide.

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Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2023, 11:42:59 am »
My first video in which I began to output a Physical and Mathematical Model of a Stanley Meyer fuel cell. It all started with him

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Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2023, 06:51:53 am »
Physical and mathematical model and electrical circuit of the fuel cell.
A physical and mathematical model and an electrical circuit with an oxide film on a minus electrode are also presented.
The fundamental principles of the construction of the electrical circuit of the fuel cell are explained.

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Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2023, 10:05:09 am »
Meyer's fuel cell theory, for electricians with a tolerance level of at least 2 groups.
I tell you the mechanism of formation of the upper layer of "milk".
As a result of the decomposition of water by the Meyer method, an upper layer of whitish or milky color is formed.
this video describes this mechanism

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Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2023, 05:12:05 am »
The Geometric Coefficients of the Meyer Fuel Cell are Calculated and presented.
The geometric coefficients for the inductance of the plus and minus plates of the Fuel cells have not been calculated.
Based on the presented models, it can be assumed for what reasons electrolysis takes place on non-connected electrodes.

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Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2023, 08:44:10 am »
I watched your videos…

im not sure if this milky bubbles mean anything but is good that you are questioning yourself about it.. and im not quite sure if your balancing things correctly…
oxygen have 8 electrons of its own when it takes hydrogen electrons it becomes negative since it will have 9 to 10 electrons in its cloud
in water we have a majority of ions like H3+ and OH- of course there are other types but this are the most common
this mean that there is packs of 3 hydrogen atoms that should have 3 electrons linking them and there is one missing…
on the other side you have Oxygen with 9 electrons with a hydrogen atom being the positive
there is a certain amount of ions in water that you simply cant get rid of since its from the self ionization of the water.. and it increases with temperature and with electric fields
im not sure if meyer was using pure water however what i know from zilions of tests i did is that conductive water will only see high voltage if is one electrode at a time… or if really some real serious amps are placed real short i mean if you have a cell with 10 Ohms of resistance you must apply 100 amps to get a real 1000 volt across the cell… the capacitance only make it harder in the sense that a capacitor voltage dont want to change it need amps to change

Thats why in my plans is to work with very pure water and high voltage to start with…

Somehow i think that the

Eccles patent says that the monoatomic gas is generated by the collision of the ions with the molecules and that subsequently they form diatomic releasing also heat

I think that if we have already a molecule in water that is 3 hydrogens with a positive charge it could be a target to focus on… they will be closer to the negative electrode..  what if they simply expel the charged atom during the reaction and form h2? making the H+ responsible by ionizing a subsequent water molecule? Likely what if oxygen expel its electrons away? How fast would it come?

Meyer talk about the time share rate of the electrons and he took that out of Tomlin Atomic physics book where it show that the atoms have a region where its minimum energy is never zero.. that means that there may water molecules that may get close to become H2 spontaneously and other that don’t.. Like the distribution of kinetic energy inside a hot water cup, there is molecules that are cold and others that are hot inside the temperature we see is a medium but the molecules are dancing and exchanging its heat not equally among them all the time…

1 Faraday = (1 Amp * 1 second )/ 1 Volt      Meaning in a 1 faraday capacitor you need to apply 1 Ampere for 1 second and it will raise its voltage by 1 volt
so a capacitor fight a change in voltage demanding current

likely

1Henry = (1 Volt * 1 second)/1 Amp     Meaning in a 1 Henry inductor will have a current of 1 Ampere after 1 second that you apply 1 Volt to it
and an inductor fight a change in current with presenting a voltage

the second video the translation of youtube was not really good or maybe you talk to fast for it haha in the middle there was words like uranium byzantium i dont know if it was correct.. could you explain a little better please?

From what i understood you show how a capacitance and a resistance is calculated, but didnt understood the part of the inductance you presented…

If you apply 2 volts to a cell with KOH you get some current flow.. if water is pure you get no flow.. .

this flow happens because you actually is taking the K ion out of the water into the electrode however it wont survive in a water medium as K so it ionize again another molecule and get back to the solution..

K is plenty of electrons and is somehow a few radioactive.. it ionizes well with water because of its ability to give up an electron thereto forming K+ ion..

I believe that if the right condition is met the water start behaving like a short ckt and it mean that at that point current must be provided to at least cancel this ions.. otherwise molecules wont get touched

I guess thats why the bifilar coil is made

somehow the 4,63ev keep coming.. when i research .. this is the energy of formation of the H3+ ion i guess.. UVC range..








 
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Re: Stanley Meyer's fuel cell theory
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2023, 10:28:40 am »
In general, I agree throughout your post, but not for each individual paragraph.
In conventional Faraday electrolysis, the bubbles are transparent and large.
In the Meyer process, there are practically no bubbles, but there is "milk".
In this video, I suggested and described how this "milk" can form.

The presence of "milk" is a sign that the Meyer process is in progress.
In my experiments and calculations, I make several approximations: coarse, average, exact.
If a rough approximation shows a good result, I no longer do an average and exact approximation.
This saves money and time.

I don't go too deep into the ions.
You are too deeply immersed in the topic and "behind the foliage you do not see the tree itself."
Sorry for the allegory.

I don't know about the Ackles patent
But I know about patents that they are designed to legally protect inventions without disclosing know-how.
Meyer succeeded in this. Patents have expired, but his know-how has not been disclosed.

The fuel cell only works as a capacitor at one point in time. At another point in time, it works as a conductor.
And we need to launch an electric field that will not be interfered with by electrons.
All these moments must be spaced apart in time and space (fuel cell geometry).
That is, I want to say that it is not entirely correct to consider a fuel cell only as a capacitor.
Yes, for calculations it is necessary to consider the fuel cell as a capacitor.
Because there are no other models for calculations.
This is the engineering contradiction that needs to be resolved.

Regarding auto translation, specify the timing, I will decipher the word you do not understand.
At the moment I don't have time to translate all 200 videos.

May I ask about education in physics or chemistry for you