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The main component of Stainless steel is Iron = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron

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Yes they have, but they are not ferritic types of SS. They are austenitic. They can withstand corrosion better then 410 or 430 SS (which are attracted to magnets due their ferritic or martensitic structure).

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Im looking for some piezo disks and plates for use as sensor and electrode

I found that they sell batio3 with silver electrodes and also

This is interesting

There was this patent that used pzt as dielectric hydrogen energy generation

There are Teflon coated disks

Hopefully I can buy some different types for testing

The objective is to have two piezo one for detecting and one for driving the resonant cavity

The modes possible are radial and thickness

I found that to raise the displacement we can stack the disks and the frequency can be tuned adding weight

For example you decide to buy a 200w 20khz transducer to make it have 10 kHz you need twice the length of the horn or something

The tube must have the double helical separator to allow the lateral movement to convert to linear

This should be a ceramic like material to allow high quality factor on the cavity

The length to be considered is actually the length of the gap forming the spiral

And so a cavity below and above must compensate for the rest of the wave crest

The Chanel on the electrodes must have the size smaller than the wave to catch only the point where the displacement is maximum to be able to develop the highest possible voltage

Placing a magnetic static field and applying ac to the cell must give a current peak at the resonant frequency

Knowing the frequency than is possible to tune the coil to that and apply pulsed dc to the water

When the thing is tuned a second pulse will appear with same polarity and amplitude as the applied pulse

This is the restoring force of the cavity in action

The pulses will only look good when in perfect sync otherwise the second pulse may look like a piece of ac

As you see the important is just to interact the fields and make it become movement of particles and pressure oscillation

Even applying full wave bridge rectified dc it does not really matter

The important is the flip of the magnetic field be in sync with the cavity tune

Simple as that

Hahahahahaha

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Im sorry if your first impression is that this is complicated

But I’m sure if you take a small time to check what I’m saying you are going to be amazed

This is not for lazy people it will take a time to understand if you don’t have knowledge on all this areas I’m talking about

But if I could get here and I’m a musician autodidact for the most part on science and live in a 3rd word country (ok I studied some physics too)

Well than you certainly can understand

Perhaps all you need to take out is the shame and ego out of the way

There is no shame recognizing someone work

Is a shame not being able to read and discuss something just because you don’t believe!

Or to not believe just because someone in a 3rd word country found something you didn’t



The graph on attachments show the current look when we apply dc to the cell and match the Magnetic field frequency with the cavity


If the dc had the same voltage as the bemf the current would result zero

And if only their voltage are different the waveform will be like the bemf

As you can see the frequency double!

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In this graph the b field is the resonant current flowing in the chokes

The bemf is being generated by the movement of the particles started by the dc voltage and deflected by the flipping magnetic field

And the magnetic field flips in sync with cavity resonance of the particles the current maynever change direction it only increase and reduce depending on the voltage difference between the applied voltage and the bemf divided by the water resistance

So just as Stan explain he need a resonant cavity to make it work

I think there is even more to it but it will only come out as the first part works for example the electron extraction!

There is so much more to do that we need to get this restriction to work as soon as possible…

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Did you know that a multilayer coil will accumulate charge only at its outer layer surface ?

That because faraday cage effect caused by this outer layer of conductor

So when designing for electrostatics things like where the coil start and where it ends with a determined polarity play a big role

Meyer put the formula for the voltage potential in a dielectric where medium is r

I have this old idea that maybe the electric fields could themselves restrict the current but only today I found a way to combine it in a way that may be testable

The idea is to have two cells connected by a tube in form of u shape for example

Very pure water and  now a set of coils placing a very high voltage between the inner electrodes of the two cells

Than each cell has a isolated coil that feed it thru a diode half wave dc

This coil must have the polarity in such way to have the outer end of the coil connected to the inner electrodes

So the idea is that the inner electrode will act as a field zone creating a electric field that is dependent on the radius and voltage and radius

This electric field is sustained by the first coil mentioned that charges one cell in reference to the water thru the u shape tube


The current will be very small since water is pure and so they are pretty much at infinity from perspective of capacitance in relation to each other cell

So the field will be positive and negative if no diode is used and we could even add a ground in the middle of the u shape and apply positive only to both inner voltage zones

So perhaps this field can hold to the electrons impeding the outer electrodes that are positive  to make current flow

Indeed the charge should go to the outer electrode right but if the coil that feeds the cell has the outer wire connected to the inner electrode the charge won’t be able to go thru the coil


Here is a simple drawing

A changing electric field is equivalent to a changing magnetic field that is changing current or some times called displacement current