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Re: My new approach
« Reply #520 on: June 12, 2024, 19:59:34 pm »
So I found another way to make the voltages 90 degrees from the magnetic field at the gap

All is needed is two plastic strips cut to the cell lenght and roll it over the inner electrode for some layers

Back in 2007 in Italy I made such a rolled cell capacitor and it was feed by an old tv flyback

It generated steam direct from the middle layers

Well this mean the voltage fields can be easily directed thru the gap using this technic

With that the helical separator may not be needed

It makes sense that if we are interested in water resistance the longer the gap the higher will be its relation to normal electrolysis discharge


I first mounted the cell without it to see if it’s going to resonate without it

But if don’t work I will go for it if course








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« Reply #521 on: June 12, 2024, 20:59:38 pm »
Actually the helical is needed to make it become up or down force

The rolled idea would make the water bounce between the plates instead

This rolled idea increase increase the gap distance so increase the resistance too

I was thinking about te electrodes being round and one into the other it turns out that there are fields going in all directions

This is why it can resonat at different modes



The lateral force

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« Reply #522 on: June 13, 2024, 00:30:21 am »
The calculated tangencial mode would be 30khz

While the radial mode would be much higher

I believe it would require at least one separator along the gap to favor this mode

And it would actually not be really effective since the part of the electrode that will not have high speed particles will not be restricting amps

So the helical separator seem like the only geometry that can convert the lateral force to up and down movement longitudinal mode

The rolled idea would favor the radial mode because it make the force turn in that way this would make the frequency work at 100khz maybe

A combination of helical and rolled can also be shaped

But mainly the idea would be get the lower f mode


The cell is between two tubes that are longitudinally resonant



Another idea come to mind is that the coils sections could cause modes






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Re: My new approach
« Reply #523 on: June 14, 2024, 01:43:26 am »
I had to get some work done today so I could not advance much more.

I though of a way to make the sequential pulse very effective and that is

I need 3 dc power supplies one for each coil and each coil kickback diode charges the capacitor of the next phase power supply

Or another way would be using high and low side switching at same time but this would only work if the coils are not connected together on one end

So basically the best way to go should be having a transformer with multiple secondaries with full wave bridge rectifier and capacitor on each

If is a single dc supply  a diode for each coil with a capacitor could be used

At the physics simulation software I found an magnetohydrodynamic pump design that uses 3phases to move conductive liquid so work only at conductive liquids since it need to induce a current and than it’s attracted to the next section etc

If the coils would



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« Reply #524 on: June 14, 2024, 02:19:05 am »
With the rolled plastic idea is easy to get higher voltage to the water first because it lengthen the gap and second because each turn will get 2v  or more induced so the more plastic less water in higher resistance also

The only thing is that this may be not possible to tune from outside since all action would be inside the cavity

For example if the plastic has 0.25mm  some 5 layers could be in

Giving direct 10  or more v opposition to amps flow with some even finer plastic  even more turns can fit in

In the case this induction will be in ac form so only half cycle would have amp restriction

Maybe is enough?

Now comes what I was taking about a year ago about the unipolar transformer with two cores combining two primary pulses into a secondary that has to have unipolar output! I even found a patent about it … maybe in the 66 pages somewhere … anyway depending how we arrange the diodes in the choke we can also make it sequential alternate pulsing

So there is 24hs testing for months to get all this ideas of paper

I hired someone to help me on the business so I can get more on it but of course I can’t let it for too long without attention

So I’m dividing myself to make it work ( I totally abandoned all social life and any distractions

So I hope to get as soon as possible




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Re: My new approach
« Reply #525 on: June 14, 2024, 08:45:57 am »
The eec could be used in this case of the cell reversing its voltage if you think about is the cell discharging into itself

But actually this would happen thinking after a while if we get a unipolar magnetic field

With ac field the water should generate dc unipolar voltage if perfectly sincronização

The problem having many turns of plastic may be to have a stable resonance on the cell

I think without the water cavity resonance it does not work because what generate the useable backenf would be it

So when Stan talk abou levels of amp restriction may be this

Without the accelerated particles at high speed the induction is just a small amp restriction vs the cell resonant voltage


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Re: My new approach
« Reply #526 on: June 14, 2024, 09:02:19 am »
When we pulse coils with q below one this mean it won’t ever resonate so it will keep a unipolar magnetic fields

Having a unipolar magnetic field and pumping thru the rolled plastic water with some pressure may get very high speed and generate more than enough voltage to generate some amps! After all the amps would depend on the voltage and resistance

I believe the real polarization happen if we instead of discharge directly we first give it a charge causing resonance to grow

The cell would build up a lot of pressure when loaded or discharged in this case

Thanks to Lorentz force



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Re: My new approach
« Reply #527 on: June 16, 2024, 00:41:08 am »
Finally the cell is testable

Don’t seem it will leak since I tested with my lungs pressure but water is funny thing we never know

I’m hooking things up…. I may do a live in you tube if you’re interested please subscribe to my channel and activate the ring bell for receiving the notifications

If you can share the videos with your friends and family and please leave some comments of your ideas and suggestions etc

I mounted first the helical design because is what my theory tells me should be better for targeting the length resonance

I just thought that maybe one method to start tracking the water resonance is simply change the water level!

I just hope the cell don’t explode because of the pressure that could rise

The double helical dna style separator leaves a gap that cause some resistance to air flow so will do also for water so if pressure rise quickly it may blow the tuning cap off from the bottom

Just need to be careful and perhaps make a way to fix the cell by the tube and not the bottom because in the case it could explode will make the cell fly like a rocket

So I use a mounting for bicycle pump that fits perfectly with the tube to make it easy to mount







 



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