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Re: My new approach
« Reply #72 on: March 22, 2023, 08:38:40 am »
"  Meyer says the electron extraction was the key!!! "

The question is from where we extract the electrons.....
Are we pulling electrons from the water after we did some elecrolysis, or....is the trick to do a Bob Boyce annex Bedini and we pull the free electricity from the eather?


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Re: My new approach
« Reply #73 on: March 22, 2023, 10:49:46 am »
I believe is about converting…

Simply Meyer found that instead of applying power to water and make electrolysis

You can generate power with water and as result you get hydrogen

Electrolysis has an efficiency always lower since we are going down the hill

In Meyer process he generate energy going up the hill so it also has an efficiency on the conversion however it became potential energy that can be feedback and put to work.

In electrolysis hydrogen is the end

In  Meyer process hydrogen is a byproduct of the conversion of power from one from into another

I don’t know much free electricity… I know that John Quincy has some interesting device that open wormholes etc anyway energy must come from somewhere in the case of water is clear is not violating any law since we are converting power from one form into another (this has an efficiency) and hydrogen output is a consequence… actually is the mean for generating electricity that’s why he call it a fuel cell

Steve it may be simpler than we ever imagined

In New Zealand he first describe how to make it brute force applying resonance

Than he says the electron extraction is the key

Generating electrical energy is the key

And also what he claim about the electrodes consumption tells me that the power flow into the electrodes and not out of


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« Reply #74 on: March 22, 2023, 13:59:18 pm »
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https://www.bbt-medical.com/what-is-the-working-voltage-of-the-ultrasonic-transducer.html


Well this is the scale i imagine that could work… read this text in the last link…


at time of stan goin to buy a kw transducer was maybe cheap.. . a 3kv one would be my goal…

if we consider the worst case condition where we need to deal with losses and the fact that Q can be 1 instead of 1000.. . i believe to put a car or to make it simply prof of concept.. 1kw or above will be required

also

if you get a ultrasonic transducer in a resonant cavity, how the amps behave if no power is extracted?

current drops to zero since it wont be able to input power!!!



If by any chance you feel like I’m right please feel free to send me a donation or send me the one of this equipments so I can be able to put it to work… now as it is I can’t not even buy the 100w one…

I can even pay back one day when my business start giving results… I talk about the irrigation system I’m selling… for now is not paying my bills so I’m working on many fronts to try make some money… recently selling whatever I can find that is in a good price to buy and resell but is not easy as it seems hopefully it will end up good after so much work

If any of you want to become a re-seller of my irrigation products in your country make me know I’m opening the possibility for it!
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« Reply #75 on: March 23, 2023, 00:44:51 am »

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Re: My new approach
« Reply #76 on: March 23, 2023, 08:40:30 am »
I believe is about converting…

Simply Meyer found that instead of applying power to water and make electrolysis

You can generate power with water and as result you get hydrogen

Electrolysis has an efficiency always lower since we are going down the hill

In Meyer process he generate energy going up the hill so it also has an efficiency on the conversion however it became potential energy that can be feedback and put to work.

In electrolysis hydrogen is the end

In  Meyer process hydrogen is a byproduct of the conversion of power from one from into another

I don’t know much free electricity… I know that John Quincy has some interesting device that open wormholes etc anyway energy must come from somewhere in the case of water is clear is not violating any law since we are converting power from one form into another (this has an efficiency) and hydrogen output is a consequence… actually is the mean for generating electricity that’s why he call it a fuel cell

Steve it may be simpler than we ever imagined

In New Zealand he first describe how to make it brute force applying resonance

Than he says the electron extraction is the key

Generating electrical energy is the key

And also what he claim about the electrodes consumption tells me that the power flow into the electrodes and not out of

Look at this project of me..
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=4260.msg35253#msg35253

Replace the battery with a waterbath.....
Charge the water and get the electrons out of there. More out then in.....Meyer said so...

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« Reply #77 on: March 23, 2023, 10:33:36 am »
I didn’t understood much how it work… can you explain a little more please? I saw your battery charging but how? What is going on?

I believe it may be possible to do without ultrasonic piezo drive but it may be necessary to include a sort of separator of around 2mm thick along the cell making the gap 25mm cicrcunferece closed on one side..

It would simplify the magnetic field requirement that could be a coils around the cell also

Magnetic fields cannot cross each other só a current flowing in the tube would focus the magnetic field thru the gap by not allowing the field to exist inside the electrodes! Because they are perpendicular…

So this would be a transverse vibration going circular on the gap and reflected by the inserted separator I described

The magnetic field still need to flip so it must be a resonant coil with many turns tuning at the frequency of the cell

In that case the power input could be only electrical and I guess would give also a reduction in current under resonance when the condition is met

May be some 30 times harder to make it work haha and I’m not sure how we can get the eec done yet but seems possible too

I mean because is easier to understand we apply power from piezo extract from electric ok

But may be possible to apply electric and extract electric too as far as the magnetic field is high enough and the frequency of the cavity is matched with the resonance I believe it can work

As I was talking about in the earlier posts I believe is simply a conversion mechanism Meyer created to instead of directly make electrolysis like faraday, to put energy into a process that convert energy from a form into another and in this conversion although it’s not 100% efficient derives in the production of hydrogen and at the same time as the electricity generate by this process  is used

So allowing a self sustained system that produce work by adding water as fuel source and having electrical power source to start with and a method of converting the hydrogen to electricity or mechanical power whatsoever





This would allow transverse resonance mode at 30khz

The lowest f welding piezo I found is 15khz so I thought maybe it could be used and the cell can be staked in 3 parts and connected in series… the voltages will add up in series for discharge…

I’m going to consult an expert on ultrasonics or two or maybe 3 to get more knowledge of what transducer I must get to accomplish this task…


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Re: My new approach
« Reply #78 on: March 23, 2023, 19:03:40 pm »
The trick is to pulse the coils soooooo short that almost no current flows.
Mother nature then finish off the pulse and there you get the free energy from...

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« Reply #79 on: March 24, 2023, 03:30:25 am »
Here in Brasil there is some guys claiming that… I tried get to them and they wanted to sell courses so I don’t believed them much.. they seem to use a Rees switch with a magnetic motor and they use your exact expression… about giving a short pulse and getting the return… I’m not sure how much power you can extract like that… I think you should get some good readings with the oscilloscope and make sure what is happening… have you seeing the motoflux principle recently posted on YouTube by over unity?

Today I hooked the 8 digit display to the esp 32 and also a rotary encoder with a button to control the frequency… the ad9833 arrive Monday and so I can hook it up with the amplifier too…

I’m considering using the 4046 only as phase comparator and lock in indicator while leaving the pll frequency to be digitally generated by using one adc input connected to the output of the filter

The pll chip has a output for voltage follower if I remember well…

Next to get the correct phases I plan to have a double feedback circuit… one entering each phase comparator

This way I will get both signals from live and the phase must match perfectly…

So basically the output of the pll can be ignored so the esp generate the frequency by converting the voltage to a digitally generated frequency.. this is going to allow:

Pulse width modification

Set of lock range and min frequency digitaly

Multiple outputs easy

Also the sweep is made easy and we can add a current sensor to unlock the pll if it goes above a threshold..

In the ultrasonic patent they say the sweep works better coming from low frequency…

Any of you have a good knowledge of how to program this in the most gracious way?

I’m going to get there anyway but some help would be nice ….