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« Reply #512 on: June 10, 2024, 01:12:29 am »
I measured the coils in parallel and it gave 22,9 mh

I hope I can start the tests tonight

Still something’s to do but I’m positive about it

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« Reply #513 on: June 10, 2024, 09:41:26 am »
I had to made a 3d printed guide to correctly roll the capacitors with more precision

In the mean while the greatest conclusion I got is that the best way to load the resonant tank is to give some of its power back to the input dc souce!

In this way instead of burning 100w on a resistor I get the juice back to the dc power supply effectively reducing the consumed power to some extent

We can even do it electronically by making a switch controled by the lock in signal

It could set a different voltage level based on that too

The idea is that when the tank is loaded we have a higher range of tuning although it would consume more power but with this feedback technic we can actually do the same without burning up power

To do the secondary could make power flow thru the dc before going to the cell or add a secondary with the dc supply voltage when resonance is to reach its half point for example than it would keep limiting the Q above that voltage

Again this is needed because the Q of the coils is indeed very high so we get a band of only some 100hz

Loading it could get useable up to 1khz band around center frequency of resonance

Just some ideas

Having more resistance on the coils would make all this become heat

I think this idea of charging back to lower the Q is simply genius!

But it also is good for helping maintaining the resonance under control by limiting its maximum voltage

Making the Q lower will make the impedance higher requiring a higher input voltage this mean more power is in use

But in this way after all is coming from itself recycling by the circuit so it should not matter more than the increased loss

Anyway this will be much more efficient than dissipating on a resistor as I’m pointing

Basicaly it allow to apply whatever frequency without the problem of resonance hahah

Resonance and feedback is generally something you don’t want on coils and everywhere

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« Reply #514 on: June 10, 2024, 14:47:55 pm »
I found a problem that would impede the system to work

If we load the resonant coils with a variable Z the resonant frequency will vary so if water get in tune for example it would get instant out of tune so fast we could not even see it

Seems like resistors could be the best way to have a stable frequency of the fields

While seems still a good idea to load the coil to the dc source clamoring it so than driving them with higher voltage directly since the q will be low thru all range

Another way though was to add a coil in parallel with the resonant coils but with a lower voltage than theirs so it act as a load but helps generate even more magnetic field

I noticed that at this point voltages become relatively high

And makes sense a Vic having 2 high voltage instead of two low voltage like I was planing to do

I mean for driving the resonance and not the dc

Those for the dc are as I explained recently for the feedback to be useable

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« Reply #515 on: June 10, 2024, 15:06:25 pm »
Because of what I just said I keep saying Stanley tricked all into thinking a simple transformer would do anything to water

I’m not saying he was bad or anything as I stated before he did it to protect the technology and did so well

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« Reply #516 on: June 10, 2024, 20:21:27 pm »
I found a problem that would impede the system to work

If we load the resonant coils with a variable Z the resonant frequency will vary so if water get in tune for example it would get instant out of tune so fast we could not even see it

Seems like resistors could be the best way to have a stable frequency of the fields

While seems still a good idea to load the coil to the dc source clamoring it so than driving them with higher voltage directly since the q will be low thru all range

Another way though was to add a coil in parallel with the resonant coils but with a lower voltage than theirs so it act as a load but helps generate even more magnetic field

I noticed that at this point voltages become relatively high

And makes sense a Vic having 2 high voltage instead of two low voltage like I was planing to do

I mean for driving the resonance and not the dc

Those for the dc are as I explained recently for the feedback to be useable

This thing is so dense that I confused the clock won’t really change when the coils resonant frequency change by changing the load however will drive it off from peak voltage and current

So clamping the resonance seems a good idea because we can apply good power over a broaden range

I think Stan said in one patent that we should expect at least 10% to 20% variance in resonant frequency according to contaminates

So this is bw= f/q

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« Reply #517 on: June 10, 2024, 22:39:07 pm »
I found a way to make the cell as a parallel load to the coils but receiving dc

So over the capacitor I will wind a thicker coil with 300 turns to make it clamp the voltage to 500 to 1000 v

This will allow me to use the same transformer I already have to send 450v to each coil

As the cell is pure water it will make the q very low if cell is untuned

While when in tune the q will rise and clamp coil will act

The capacitors ended up with 3nf instead of 5 I need to make more if I want to go lower in frequency

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« Reply #518 on: June 12, 2024, 02:06:30 am »
The electrical connection to the electrodes are the most important part of the cell

In the resonant cavity the water voltage will exist only where there is accelerated particles

So anywhere the molecules are not moving the water behave as water conducting

This is why the oring is there to reduce as much as possible any conduction where is not desired

I’m going to make a video on YouTube to explain this better

The cell electrodes must only see each other from inside the cell any other water resistnce  will not be restricted and will not allow the voltage to rise because will create an arc like when we apply 250v to water directly

So the solution is to have the cell very well glued to avoid this to load the cell

To help prevent even more undesireable leakage the interior of the inner cell can also be coated with insulator

Leaving the region of the gap between the electrodes the only conduction zone!!!

This is absolutely important to have any chance to get it to work.