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Re: My new approach
« Reply #352 on: April 12, 2024, 18:59:38 pm »
Do you remember our discussion around the shorted into itself tuning coil?

Well since we have tubes inside the coil it will be like one shorted turn…

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« Reply #353 on: April 12, 2024, 22:58:00 pm »
Here’s how it’s looking like still need to glue to top

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« Reply #354 on: April 13, 2024, 18:47:14 pm »
Stanley meyer info abou the durability of the electrodes may be related to the level of energy that is being accumulated in the cavity and how it “consume” the steel

This data may be available for ultrasonics interacting with stainless steel

He may have found a graph and see how much it’s consumed by year

Those ultrasonic cleaners may have this info


As i explained somewhere  in this post the reaction of hydrogen and oxygen generation is reversed so it’s not a traditional redox reaction so the electricity is generated instead of being injected into the system in traditional way

In general electrolysis will consume the electrode because it forces the reaction

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« Reply #355 on: April 13, 2024, 19:53:26 pm »
Ultrasonic pll drives the piezo at the frequency where the current and voltage are in phase meaning it’s matched

Meyer don’t really talk much of the feedback and although he seem to use a coil on the transformer as the feedback from my knowledge this will allow to self tone to resonance just like the piezo case

The bandwidth of the lrc may be very much larger than the cavity so we need to tune one to the other and actually in phase otherwise the so called step up waveform won’t be clear

That said the lrc need to tune into the cavity and maintain the phase ideally

So somehow a feedback would need to be present…

Today I finished the top of the cell with the output of gas improved

Connected all the cables and now I’m going to start playing with it

I imagine the cell as a clipping part of the wave on the cavity so perhaps it won’t change much the frequency

I’m considering the cavity split by the cell into two where there is going to be a quarter of the wave in each cavity

So the frequency would be the half wave of the lenght of the cavities sum





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Re: My new approach
« Reply #356 on: April 14, 2024, 09:19:57 am »
In few words

Voltage on the cell is dependent on the current and its resistance

So the Vic is a current source meaning it will give current independent of the voltage since it’s charged from high impedance

This current will be restricted by the resonant cavity raising the resistance and therefore stepping up the voltage

This voltage is potential energy and according to meyer there is a point where the current leakage will

Trigger the resonant action

His graph show gas is produced in geometric progression for certain quantized amount of current

A geometrical production mean every electrode would multiply the output instead of sum for example

Or at least that the current x product is a function that probably go with square law

That is, a capacitor will have a logarithmic voltage raise while when we restrict the current the voltage will raise exponentially with the current restricting because

One the resistance increase so this would already put the graph with a line rising

Second we increase the voltage also linearly as energy is accumulated on the coil capacitor

So basically there’s two factors multiplying or to the power of the other

I’m testing some stuff to be used on feedback

I thought maybe a varistor could maybe used as a piezo

Also I get some ultrasonic meter and a buzzer to test




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« Reply #357 on: April 14, 2024, 11:38:43 am »
Sensing

I found in my workbench two options of sensors one is the sr04 and the other a microphone

Both piezo show  voltage but the mic only a 5mv with a fingerslapp and the piezo only taping it

The sr04 works by sending a burst of ultrasonic waves with one of the piezo and receive the other piezo the signal

From data sheet it see when its triggered the echo is set to positive and when it receive the signal it return to ground

So my first idea would be to trick it to work with the pll instead… making it trigger with the pulse in and give the pwm when pulse is off maybe with an and gate

Other than that I would need to amplify the signal somehow…

Any ideas?

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« Reply #358 on: April 15, 2024, 10:38:58 am »
Well I’m almost ready for testing and another thing come to mind


I predicted that if ac is applied to both magnetic and electric fields would become a pump


Under resonance this would give the maximum pumping power

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Re: My new approach
« Reply #359 on: April 15, 2024, 10:51:37 am »
In few words

Voltage on the cell is dependent on the current and its resistance

So the Vic is a current source meaning it will give current independent of the voltage since it’s charged from high impedance

This current will be restricted by the resonant cavity raising the resistance and therefore stepping up the voltage

This voltage is potential energy and according to meyer there is a point where the current leakage will

Trigger the resonant action

His graph show gas is produced in geometric progression for certain quantized amount of current

A geometrical production mean every electrode would multiply the output instead of sum for example

Or at least that the current x product is a function that probably go with square law

That is, a capacitor will have a logarithmic voltage raise while when we restrict the current the voltage will raise exponentially with the current restricting because

One the resistance increase so this would already put the graph with a line rising

Second we increase the voltage also linearly as energy is accumulated on the coil capacitor

So basically there’s two factors multiplying or to the power of the other

I’m testing some stuff to be used on feedback

I thought maybe a varistor could maybe used as a piezo

Also I get some ultrasonic meter and a buzzer to test

I disagree
The current is a consequence of and depends on high voltage and resistance.
All the following logical conclusions after the second line are incorrect