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Re: My new approach
« Reply #344 on: April 11, 2024, 00:34:00 am »
The tubes are 304 material maybe 316 non magnetic

I mention they have iron that’s because they are still attracted lightly to a strong magnet

This mean some field lines will be lost within the material

If I could make the inner electrode hollow I would add a coil inside too

This would help increase the magnetic field a lot! Since it would not have to fill that space

This set of coil with 10nf in parallel may resonate close to 5khz

So I hope to make the cell ajustável to that frequency

tunable  like a guitar





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Re: My new approach
« Reply #345 on: April 11, 2024, 04:51:59 am »
One thing we need to understand is that in the patent they are not going to give the correct drawings

Nor explain exactly all the secret otherwise it would be like a how to publication not a patent

Is suppose to protect the technology but not allowing info enough to anyone be able to copy of it

That being said Stan was very good at keep his secret

After 18 years I came to all this

Water is only a resistance on the circuit in series with a choke that is around it

This is a resonant choke with a capacitor in parallel like the Vic impedance circuit

The diode allow current only in one direction so I think another coil may be useful on the other side to help dc keep flowing

The lrc resonance simply need to match the cell cavity resonance to the effect to happen

And the effect is the cell act as generator creating a sort of backemf derived from the resonant magnetic field interacting with the cavity resonance caused by that small dc current input interaction with the same resonant magnetic fields

The voltage signal output of the cell should be like a full wave bridge signal so the cell actually is at same time an input and output of energy

To capture the signal as ac a permanent magnet can be used with one small set of electrode just to catch the cavity resonance frequency phase

Here is the magic trick  a simple magnet  with two electrodes next to it at the output of the cell to the cavity

Dc can be filtered using capacitor so maybe if a permanent magnet is within the cell too it could be a way but to start is better to have things doing things separetly so we can clear understand the effect




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Re: My new approach
« Reply #346 on: April 11, 2024, 09:30:22 am »
Frequency doubling occur when the magnetic field flips and at same time the direction of the particles velocity change

The voltage will step up like the standard meyer step up waveform

The secondary and primary can be wound over the choke I guess it would help restricting the amps during the collapse since they will follow same waveform instead of collapsing abruptly 

That mean during pulse off the cell give’s a second positive pulse

If we add a capacitor to filter this dc in series with a small feedback transformer toroid we might be able to track this ac frequency with double frequency

Or as said before detect the frequency without doubling with the permanent magnet solution

This need to be small to not disturb the wave much

This capacitor will rephrase it by 90degree probably… so divide by 2 and pll needed to be used

Is important that the secondary will be isolated by the diode but also cancel out with the choke voltage leaving the cell voltage only to be blocked

If the secondary collapse too fast it will work as a load for the cel maybe not allowing the voltage to rise but basically generating gas before the time

In anyway it will be obvious and actually easy to see the difference…

Meyer says he put voltage to do work in a dead short ckt condition

That is he use a resonant magnetic field drived by unipolar pulsed dc to resonate the water within the cavity this interaction of resonances generate a voltage on the cell herein called water fuel cell as it generate dc!

So the point seems to be restrict the amps to allow the cell voltage to reach enough voltage to break the covalent bond from inside without having to discharge

My best guess is that rain water is just enough but perhaps some electrolyte can help

Or maybe using very pure water can be also helpful for restricting the amps




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Re: My new approach water level
« Reply #347 on: April 11, 2024, 16:39:12 pm »
The water level and geometry of the cavity and cell will determine the frequency it will operate


If you consider the cavity only below the cell with water level at cell

I’m looking at it with half wave but actually I’m considering the cell to be kind of just a termination and not the only point wave will be so I guess is possible to assume that it participated but its contribution had to do with the proportion to the cavity size.

Stan says well you could go higher frequency but that include a lot of complexity since the frequency depend on water level and having Lrc that changes tuning electrically is not very easy to do so the lower the frequency the dimensions get less critical so as the frequency variation

The Q factor of the cavity may be rather high while the lrc need to be no too high so we can tune them to work together…

Again water level can change tuning


Considering water above and bellow the cell seems the best way to keep tuning more reliable at least theoretically


Sorry above I meant quarter wave with level at the cell..

Perhaps  if maintain a very small overal  dc magnetic field on the system or even add a magnet around or Inside would allow to feedback diret from the cell at double frequency as explained before

Otherwise the feedback should be maybe on the bottom of the cell where there is no gas going

The level of the cell need to be maintained  this is more important than the contaminants since it all depends on it to accumulate and go beyond the required threshold.

At the water polarization generator his electrostatic is the same polarization process

In this case he uses the same principle to add potential energy to the ion and use as electrical output while gas is generated!



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Re: My new approach
« Reply #348 on: April 11, 2024, 23:13:08 pm »
Here the piston I described to change the cavity frequency (tuning)

Lot of work to make it fit nicely and slide and not leak

That done I can start doing some tests provided my ckt is operable

Hope you enjoy!

Also hope my effort be recognized appreciated and considered, and the credits correctly received!

Can’t wait to see what’s going to happen!


Two things will happen when the reaction happen or when it matches the two resonances

The frequency will double ( showing a second pulse on cell )

It will be stepping up as it accumulate acoustic power

Also the current flow should reduce probably lowering the resonant voltage peak

This mean that the cell got high resistance because of the above described generator action..


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Re: My new approach
« Reply #349 on: April 12, 2024, 10:57:18 am »
The tubes are 304 material maybe 316 non magnetic

I mention they have iron that’s because they are still attracted lightly to a strong magnet

This mean some field lines will be lost within the material

If I could make the inner electrode hollow I would add a coil inside too

This would help increase the magnetic field a lot! Since it would not have to fill that space

This set of coil with 10nf in parallel may resonate close to 5khz

So I hope to make the cell ajustável to that frequency

tunable  like a guitar

My effects with the external transformer was done with 430ss plates, as the normal 304 didnt bring any good.
I hope that you get something going, but maybe change the material of the tubes....
Horvarth and Anderson both used same principles and had soft iron tubes with a nickel plating on them...


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Re: My new approach
« Reply #350 on: April 12, 2024, 11:33:08 am »
Thanks for the reply Steve!

In the sense of what I’m trying to do actually the 430 would work blocking the magnetic field I’m trying to apply there inside

From my perspective at least where I need maximum field to be in the channel cutting the helical channel it seems at first look that it would block the field … I’m not a specialist so surely it’s worth giving a shot with other materials

Perhaps it can even increment the field… if I can fit a magnetic tube in there I will test with the gauss meter if it helps or decreases…
If you think about the inner electrode being magnetic it might be useful it may need less turns of wire to get same magnetic field however I’m not so sure of how the magnetic fields would distribute in that case

We use to think a piece of Iron amplify the magnetic field… but from what I remember the number of lines might be proportional to the current and turns but not the permeability

The magnetic field aways want to take the easiest way to finish encircling the coil generating it

We need to know how the aligned domains will operate

Worth investigating and evaluate specialy the losses

Need to test to see but at least the outer electrode seem plausible that should be non magnetic…

The problem I see is that the field lines suppose to want to go thru the electrode and not thru water if the material has lower reluctance than water therefore the least possible magnetic properties the electrode have the better considering only that and also it better be resistive since is a shorted turn

I think one thing to consider is to increase the electrode resistance to currents flowing around it

I  thought one way would be to have a longitudinal cut on both electrodes…

Thanks a lot to make me think of that… I will do some tests and give you a feedback on that

Meyer patents explicit talk about the 304


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Re: My new approach
« Reply #351 on: April 12, 2024, 14:54:03 pm »
Did some tests to see how the field would behave using a permanent magnet and the gauss meter attached to it on the side where the field lines should be… if I approached it to a magnetic material it will reduce the reading since the lines find a easier path thru the metal.

That tells that the electrode should be as thin as possible and the inner electrode if possible hollow

Unless we are maybe counting on the induced eddy currents at the inner electrode still need to investigate.
 
I was looking into pulsed magnetic field found that they can get up to kilo Tesla!

To make easier for the piston to enter the tube cavity I sanded the entrance to make a little angle so I can slide it in

Now just need to make the output and water input in a way that electrodes can replaced or modified

I think of making the water input on the piston with a flexible silicone tube that goes up with it

I’m just afraid it affect the Q factor of the cavity

I’m also creating a feedback with a small magnet and 4 electrodes that are connected in series on the sides

Outside I will add also two magnets to increase the field further

Perhaps it need to be shielded to not interact with the coil resonant field

 Maybe water inlet could be near the bottom of the cell and so in this line a pressure sensor could be installed to get feedback of the vibration and pressure on the cavity


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