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##### Re: My new approach drop the coil into water
« Reply #320 on: March 30, 2024, 14:02:04 pm »
And I add what if he used the ferrite magnetistrictive  to generate the ultrasound wave after all?

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« Reply #321 on: March 30, 2024, 16:12:47 pm »
I decided to give it a try having a small ferrite and a magnet and coil to vibrate the bottom of my pvc pipe while having the cell inside at the geometry I explained earlier to capite max velocity of water particles

To be able to extract the electrical energy and generate gas we need to convert this up down movement to circular

This will be done simply having a 3d spiral separating the electrodes

Around the cell will be a Choke used to create the magnetic field required for the conversion…

The primary will be the cause of vibration and secondary will give this energy to build the magnetic field on the coil

If I’m correct this will set the condition to make gas and electricity at same time hopefully allowing to feedback to the input ckt..

Permanent magnets can be used too for efficiency since the spiral put the movement in the correct direction to interact with field and output voltage to the electrodes…

5khz and below is crucial that’s why I came up with the ferrite idea

This is 3 inch wave length … the size of the electrode

A lower frequency will allow a larger electrode to be used more effectively

So basically if we have a 15cm cell it will better work at lower frequencies…

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« Reply #322 on: March 30, 2024, 16:33:25 pm »
The cell would need to sit where the ultrasonic energy is focused in form of velocity

So give the size of the wave the cell need to be like close to the neck

And my best guess is that making this resonant at a certain frequency would change the game

That because we are interested in high velocity particles and they need to give this energy in form of gas and electricity at once

Inside the inner electrode we can directly use a bar magnet to complement The field

If you think a little about it will generate ac using permanent magnets while if you put a coil under resonance having many kVA going on guided by the so called pll to flip with the movement in phase we can direct Lu get dc voltage output and would look like Stan full wave signal magnets would still help thought by forcing the field on certain region as fields don’t cross each other

I calculated using gpt the expected voltage outputs… the beauty of this is that if added in series te voltage output will be higher and higher.

All it need is to be over 1,5v each cell

I think much higher can be obtained and that’s where electron extraction comes into existence.

Meyers first say the key

The key

The key

Is to use water as the electron source

Generate electricity directly thru it is exactly that.

If you pay attention after he talk this in New Zealand he asks how a power plant work?

This is best way that I could  found to generate hydrogen and electricity from water so far

The other is directly inducing into water the voltage but I will leave that for later as is very different from what meyer did from my experience

Honestly I believe both ways may work but one may be better or maybe even complementary to the other.

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##### Re: My new approach kiss method
« Reply #323 on: March 31, 2024, 01:56:07 am »
Considering the cell can extract the vibration as electrical output

If we actually give to it the spiral channel and provided alternate magnetic field, applying dc would cause the cell to output ultrasound while if we apply same frequency ac it will pump water!

As ultrasonic resonance builds it I’ll restrict the amps as we are adding energy to the velocity of the particles

So t une to the cavity resonanceto the lrc

This is the simplest possible way to get It to resonate but to actually generate gas the cell need to be feedback into itself or recharging a battery for example so this energy can be recovered to reduce the input power

Having the ultrasonic waves being generated direct from the cell may complicate or simplify things We need to check all variations to see which has the best possible efficiency for converting water to fuel

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##### Re: My new approach model of construction
« Reply #324 on: March 31, 2024, 03:22:59 am »
Two concentric electrodes having a spiral separator that hold them together forming a helical vortex channel

Plastic tube that form the cavity lengthening the electrodes and isolating from coils

Resonant coil wound around the cell to make the magnetic field perpendicular to the vortex channel

Input ckt transformer with diode

a ultrasonic probe to be able to detect the natural  vibration and match the lrc resonance to it

Can be a piezo disc from a umidifier probably or a piezo microphone or buzzer

If the diode burn or is not used the cell must behave as a pump even not tuned

I believe Stan used a segmented outer electrode on top to extrac” electrons only there while use the rest of the the cell as the transducer

The important is that the resonant coils have a high magnetic field

The dc input will all become ultrasound and little gas

The gas output I’ll only show when breaks the covalent bonding of the cell as whole or shorting as explained before to extract the energy out of it

Hope is clear and that  someone is there trying too

My best regards

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##### Re: My new approach the material of the spiral channel
« Reply #325 on: March 31, 2024, 04:37:38 am »
I found that using a double helical seem practical

However it should be a hard material while good insulator

It must not create drag with water so some kind of glass or ceramic would be the ideal so it can be machined ajustes to fit perfect inside the outer electrode…

I was trying to use silicon wire I have here with exact same 1,7mm thixkness

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« Reply #326 on: March 31, 2024, 12:57:44 pm »
I decided to use the 3d printer to make the spiral

I’m building a ckt to make it work on 5 axis so I can place the rod spinning and print the spiral over the electrode directly

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« Reply #327 on: April 01, 2024, 17:27:05 pm »
It’s kind of a challenge to make it but I’m doing it

I had to take the 3d printer apart and use parts of it

Later I show a video

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Half done now I need to dry the filaments better and improve some the adhesion

I’m going to prefer nylon over abs but im not sure if I will be able to do it

Nylon is much harder to print usually

To adhere the abs to the ss I had to use a torch to preheat the rod

Than I set the printing temperature to 250 the max of my printer