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Re: My new approach
« Reply #312 on: January 29, 2024, 13:52:38 pm »
i was thinking about the irrigation valves im using

the 110v has 1000 ohms resistance

the 220v has 4kohm

the consume a small current if feed with ac and more if feed with half wave bridge rectifier having a diode shorting the coil to get the kick back pulse…

Now comes the interesting…

when a current is flowing in a coil it will want to keep flowing right?

but when we interrupt this current it will try to develop highvoltage to keep flowing…

the voltage developed on the coil will be equivalent to the current and its resistance if its shorted… for example if 20 ma it will generate 20v but it wlll be only inside the coil…

just some food for touughtt

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Re: My new approach
« Reply #313 on: January 30, 2024, 08:17:46 am »
but when we interrupt this current it will try to develop highvoltage to keep flowing…



i am hoping to discover that effect soon... Havent seen it yet..

Or do you mean the back emf?

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Re: My new approach
« Reply #314 on: January 30, 2024, 14:17:36 pm »
but when we interrupt this current it will try to develop highvoltage to keep flowing…



i am hoping to discover that effect soon... Havent seen it yet..

Or do you mean the back emf?



I saw that, but only in simulator  ;D (i know that doesn't count  :P)

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Re: My new approach
« Reply #315 on: January 30, 2024, 18:19:38 pm »
I think what I’m trying to say is that it would perhaps atenua-te the voltage in between pulses.. in the sense that a resistor will cause a voltage drop and when current is maximum u get max voltage drop

So for example the 220 v coil would develop only a few volts but this kickback is capable of causing interference so somehow it could be a source of high voltage kind of electromagnetic pulse

When the valve activated the core displaces increasing inductance and when it release its in the higher state

I guess this inductance change may also cause the high voltage

Need to see it on bench top

When using ac on this valves they also cause the kickbac but it’s stronger when the valve start at seno is peak or stop on current peak


Using dc the voltage drop on the coil is in the direction of current rising or falling

Rising the current will cause a voltage drop that reduce the rate of current change

While when falling the voltage drop is opposite to the inductive voltage that wants current to keep flow

So basically it sums with inductive voltage drop when current rise and subtract when it falls

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Re: My new approach
« Reply #316 on: January 31, 2024, 03:56:07 am »
From my very first read of Stan patents it appear to me like he was using a thin secondary and thicker chokes after it

He talk about some tricol configuration

A coil resistance is related to how fast its fields can collapse

Meaning a transformer with a higher resistance won’t be oscillatin much it will collapse and finish

Some how the collapse generate a wave depending of how fast it collapsed and it may travel To the cell

When I say atenuation ifte inductive properties are closer to the resistive the thing would act like a matched ckt


Maybe the idea is to simply send a positive pulse to the cell that has no backlash

The voltage drop for a current flowing in the coil will depend on its reais tax and distributed capacitance
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Re: My new approach
« Reply #317 on: February 01, 2024, 03:11:21 am »
Electromagnetic waves travel at speed of light cutting through air… we know that magnetic field is in one direction and electric field perpendicular to it

Now what if we kind of polarize the wave making it pass thru a magnetic field for example

A microwave maintain standing waves that Bounces back and forth and sum in phase because the frequency of the source match the physical size of the cavity

Actually many different frequencies fit inside that cavity

If you think of at least 3 frequencies will be operating in a microwave

If a microwave walls were not perpendicular it would not get amplified and perhaps even the magnetron could get more or less loaded

Ideally if it was a perfect cube  or specially a ball it would have a single frequency.

To generate voltage in a medium we need magnetic field to cut thru it at a certain speed

My point is that although small in magnitude a magnetron can set a field that get concentrated

And it cuts through at the speed of light in a potential manner

So the cavity if filled with water would have water stressed in some points of high fields

The problem with a magnetron I see is that water would get hot as it would absorb it so ideally we need a smaller magnetron with a higher frequency or a bigger one

The cavity size also is different since water speed of light is different

Spherical is the best I guess … Stan patents show the cavity’s spherical

I believe he may have used 10Ghz source triggered at 10khz with the pll

Controlling the filament current for example gating the magnetron

A laser could also do it as he show the easer

A magnetron have a couple of magnets to make the electron wind have a predetermined path

I think maybe a magnet can help interact with the electromagnetic fields or even make them get a predetermined direction or geometry









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Re: My new approach
« Reply #318 on: March 23, 2024, 16:19:09 pm »
Giving some hours to the project

I was wandering if a changing electric field is equivalent to a changing magnetic field shouldn’t the cell create a circular magnetic field when voltage is applied to the concentric tubes design?

If there is such a vibration displacing the ions in the cell coming from external source, I’m starting to think that if we apply the voltage with the correct phase relationship and aways changing we should have a magnetic field equivalent to it so the movement would end up in a voltage that is in the same direction of the applied voltage adding with opposite phase so current would be restricted at that frequency as long as it has the correct phase…



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Re: My new approach
« Reply #319 on: March 29, 2024, 14:37:55 pm »
According to char gpt a toroidal magnetic field is reflected by a surface without changing polarity. That because it behave like light being closer into itself.

Perhaps Meyer found a way to trap traveling toroidal fields within the cylinder?

I was thinking how toroidal magnetic fields propagate in space and came up with this…