### Author Topic: My new approach  (Read 62562 times)

• Global Moderator
• Hero member
• Posts: 4181
##### Re: My new approach
« Reply #248 on: September 08, 2023, 09:06:18 am »
I think I understood the crossover ckt Meyer mention in tech brief

The problem is that the cell voltage will be only favorable during the half of the half cycle

in case of use of only two diode so to get continuous operation he goes with 2 3 or more phases…

See the drawings

If you start analyzing with capacitor charged you see that it will induce a voltage in water in bucking configuration with the coils voltage so creating a dead short condition…

Is a resonant series ckt and so current will rise at that res frequency .

Voltage is 90degree or current so you can say there is virtually zero volts between the capacitor and inductor( actually there is some resistance and so voltage is not zero in the real world!)

So the voltage will be equal to the applied voltage vt because current times the resistance will fight against it

When current reach the maximum value the capacitor voltage is zero and voltage on the inductor flips to keep current flowing in the same direction

I think this is what Meyer did and horvath did at some point

It seem too simple too be true but is just basic electronics and physics

There might be a frequency where water will respond better.. my guess is that the higher is the frequency the better however there is the problem with skin effect on coils causing heat loss also the switching become more complicated so audio range up to 50khz is doable in real world

I say this because water molecules will be there flipping and stretching pulse by pulse and being served as an electron source for the resonant tank

The resonant tank convert with high efficiency except for the coil losses, any high voltage to very high current..

The impedance is what limit how fast will charge up

For ex if you get 1kv 100ma source and try to apply to a coil that is in the resonant ckt it will charge the coils in 100ma steps up to the point where the losses and current flow  are such that it can’t absorb more there you will have 1kv applied but the input current will be much lower … while the resonant current can be very high

To break the water molecules we just need to give them the ability to be used as the electron source and sync

« Last Edit: September 08, 2023, 09:28:33 am by sebosfato »

• Global Moderator
• Hero member
• Posts: 4181
##### Re: My new approach
« Reply #249 on: September 09, 2023, 02:04:34 am »
The exact frequency of the vibration of water is very very high.. so any frequency even much lower will be able to tune sub harmonically to that.. that why pll is needed and the wiper arm to tune to a subharmonic…

It many need just few hz of change if so…

The water will be considered a amp source since it’s transformation ratio is very low being it only one turn versus

50 turns coil… so 1000v is 20v in that water turn!! So if you get 50 amps it will be equivalent in water to 2500 amps

I figured how to make them in series like adding cell in series … is the only way to goe up high with efficiency!!

That because the diode and coil are going to be the lossy parts… even the capacitor will heat as hell… because of the high current

I think the coil inductance may have increased in this shape and it will allow to add the cc cores on sides so to close the lip better and increase the inductance… the losses in the core makes it not very good Q factor though!!

• 50+
• Posts: 55
##### Re: My new approach
« Reply #250 on: September 14, 2023, 11:13:19 am »
I think theres the possibility that meyer used the oposite of what i described

I realized that this same induced voltage could be directly a way to restrict the amps and perhapd achieve what meyer described

That is water take on a charge enought to break

What i thik would happen is that the capacitance will be able yo charge with the voltage going but wben it goes out all that charge mst go somewhere so it create a high voltge there

As the voltage induced thru water flips it may double the aplied force

And as the diode dont allow charges to go back meaning it will keep the capacitance of water charged

I think the diode must be connected to the cell directly and a capacitor can be connected to increase the current on the coil without having to pass thru water so water will strictly receive mainly just the fields
Current  required for the resonance get around  and rise while in water is restricted by the induced voltage

I believe this should result on those step charging effect

Perhaps the capacitance of water should be the target

In that case just take the cap out and make in a way that it can resonate somehow

« Last Edit: September 14, 2023, 12:09:58 pm by sebosfato2 »

• 50+
• Posts: 55
##### Re: My new approach
« Reply #251 on: September 14, 2023, 15:47:40 pm »
When we go over 1,23v there will be current flow

So we can never really get real fields in water if curremt is not restricted

With the restricting field the field is there and the ckt is needed to rearrange the chRges

But with restrictinh the amps the applied voltage will just charge the capacitance while when fge field colapse the capacitance will experience an internal polarity reversal causing the bang action

• 50+
• Posts: 55
##### Re: My new approach
« Reply #252 on: September 14, 2023, 15:51:06 pm »
If you imagine the capacitor shorted and the field is inside it will atract and repel charges makinh them flow...

• 50+
• Posts: 55
##### The water flux capacitor
« Reply #253 on: September 15, 2023, 00:01:51 am »

Im not exactly sure about but it seem to me that it become a kind of vector inversion in a way...

The cell look like a nasa experiment hahaahaha

Just hope my delorean bring me back in time

Im just hoping to be able to show the horvath priciple

And meyers with same cell configuration...

Just the coils seem need to be sort of different for meyer

• 50+
• Posts: 55
##### Re: My new approach
« Reply #254 on: September 15, 2023, 07:57:26 am »
If when the field inside the capacitor is reversed a voltage is applied to the plates lot charge can be applied to the plates
Now when field colapses the charges will violently cause a very high voltage

This is because while the vector is inverted the cell act as high capacitance and when the fields sum they will be able to rise