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Electroplated for soldering
« Reply #160 on: June 09, 2023, 07:19:18 am »
I did some electroplating today on the stainless steel to be able to solder wires to the electrode

I aways had problems to make permanent connections to the electrodes

I found that using some vinagre and copper and citric acid I was able to create a shiny cover of 

Copper finishing at the electrode and it allow to simply solder a wire to the electrode using a common soldering iron

It was required to leave for some hours

And also I cleaned the electrode first very well with sand paper

The plating seems to have filled some of the gaps with copper making it shine and somewhat fine to the touch

Try his electrode was made by flatening a ss tube beating with a aluminum block and than grinding the sides to cut into two

I also accidentally discovered that using 110v my older power supply the one with variac and stepdown with 3mf capacitor

Could make some electric discharge cutting it creates arcs inside water and allow to cut the copper foil used with the ss electrode if touching

I first tried to spot welding the copper foils to the electrode but I don’t have any experience on that and was doing a bad job at it I tried to use one of this electrode welder machine

Although it’s a bit hard to make the copper to glue on the stainless steel with home formulationz it seem that it worked

For the solution I used some pieces of copper foils that were sitting around and pieces of copper bar as the electrode and source of copper ions

I than added half vinegar half 0ppm water and a gram or two of citric acid powder

I than send like 50 volts for a time just to heat up the solution and clean up the electrode

Than I cleaned the electrode with steel wool and started with 3v

The process is to clean the electrode and place it again inside the solution until the copper is clearly there

And be careful as copper acetate is highly poisonous… I had it to contact with my eyes when the electric discharge happened so again be careful doing this

To find the optimal voltage I reduced it until hydrogen was not being generated because this mean the current is flowing with over potential and it’s not desired

It may still be a little high since it seem the copper is building better on the part of the electrode that is not facing the anode

After soldering the wire terminals I can isolate properly with epoxy

I’m making 4 of this electrodes



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Re: My new approach
« Reply #161 on: June 12, 2023, 13:27:25 pm »
Ever heard of longitudinal Amperes?


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Re: My new approach
« Reply #162 on: June 12, 2023, 22:27:20 pm »
Never heard before… I was reading about it… seems like the wire explosion experiments could have being because the magnetic field start to get into the copper and act like two wires in parallel repealing each other…

They say it cannot be Lorentz force but actually I believe it has something to do with it

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Re: My new approach
« Reply #163 on: June 13, 2023, 08:40:21 am »
A man close to Meyer said that this is was Meyer was doing with the injectors..

Fill up a capacitor of about 4uF and 10kV. Discharge this thru a coil, into a waterfuelcell...
That coil is important as it creates those longitidinal waves...

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Re: My new approach
« Reply #164 on: June 13, 2023, 10:02:04 am »
Here more info

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Re: My new approach
« Reply #165 on: June 13, 2023, 13:16:48 pm »
I remember reading this long time ago

I believe that if the coil is wound around the cell it may be just like and even seem like what I’m going to do now..

He was using one shot discharge so the feedback is no the best shape however it may mean it taps into this other energy souce like he describe

Great point Steve!

I think is well possible that Meyer was into that it xploding water directly inside the chamber

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Re: My new approach
« Reply #166 on: June 14, 2023, 02:27:01 am »
Today I tried soldering the 12awg wire as a output for the electrodes

I was able to solder as long as it was directly come from clean step to solder still wet

After copper is oxidized by air it become harder

It still not very solid but made a good electric connection although fragile can be better fixed with epoxy

For that I used battery fluid for preparing the electrode and for the electroplating (sulfuric acid)

Current was much better than the solution  I had before

At 2,5 v copper deposited well very rapidly… i than rinsed and brushed with steel wool  and repeat 3 times

Only some 30 seconds electrodeposition at a time and the polished desired side must be not facing the copper anodes

This electrodes will be glued at an acrylic and wires will be isolated

This will form a two cell stack with the 4 electrodes

They will have a ring separating the water in one stack from the other

It will have a hole so the gas can go out from it at the region where there should be zero volts… so only the upper cell will be visible in the vertical stack with the top open

The acrylic has 200mm so as the pvc pipe and the two II cores that goes inside of it

Outside the pipe goes the giant coil

The core will make the voltage linear over the cell until it saturates






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Re: My new approach
« Reply #167 on: June 15, 2023, 13:09:11 pm »
This discs will keep the things aligned and allow to get epoxy to cover the electrodes connections and also provide isolation between the vertical stacks

It basically hold the acrylic and core and allow the electrodes wires to pass while having a little cup for epoxy to sit