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Re: My new approach
« Reply #144 on: May 16, 2023, 13:25:35 pm »
I’m using this node Mcu in arduino I select the generic esp32 … the module is the esp32 wroom32

With that code the frequency output is pretty much like the fracture cell output… exact same

Except it don’t have the gate yet…

The wave form can vary from 0 to 200 %

At 100 the squares are equal in mark space

Over 100 it overlaps the waves and below it create a gap between the pulses

So is exactly the same output of the fracture cell except it’s not a train of pulses …

Missing it yet
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Re: My new approach
« Reply #145 on: May 17, 2023, 01:21:12 am »
There is a discussion if electrolysis really displace ions or not since they are available in both electrodes..

When Meyer says potential energy is not consumed in an electronic circuit in terms of what I’m exposing here

Basically each cell generate a potential at the electrodes however if the displacements is allowed only in one direction by the diode than if polarity is reversed even if momentarily no displacement can happen…

Ideally the output could be wired to a generator for example or even a huge bank or capacitors so the energy consumed by the own circuit is what generated the gas plus what come from the alternator… as I explained it should be like electrolysis taste like electrolysis smell like electolysis but it’s consuming 90% less energy than electrolysis if all goes correct so those 10% become 30 of the car output energy to become self sustained only water being consumed m

Another difference from electrolysis is that the electrodes is not consumed as the reaction is reversed hydrogen is even produced on positive electrode and oxygen on the negative in theory


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Re: My new approach
« Reply #146 on: May 18, 2023, 23:20:08 pm »
Alright so now my new lcr meter just arrived and I can make some measurements of the coils and start doing some work on it

It’s just the same as I bought before and it also is very very bad soldered

Hope it works

In attachment an example of the kind of soldering this guys do on this boards hahaha

I discovered my multimeter has a capacitance function that works really good

And also I tested some multimeters I imported from China that also has and measure really good

I’m going to try with water of course to see what capacitance they read

With very pure water I remember it was around 1nf for a cell just like Meyer in size and same gap

Now my cell is smaller and also I may work with the pizza geometry I mentioned to start with

I was wondering this days if the water cell having all this electrodes connected thru a gap circule on the bottom

Well I wondered if the coils around wouldn’t be able to induce on the said cell the sair fields and said electrodes collect the said fields and allow current to flow…


Also perhaps if using pure water the electrodes may be used to electrically ionize the water as to allow current flow without having chemical added to it

Not sure but seem plausible

Not that is a problem having chemicals added to it


Is possible that what I’m talking about is how horvath did it and perhaps Meyer instead of discharge used pure water and went little further

Well I’m not sure what is coming out of this but certainly some doubts will be satisfied

Now is not more about how… is about when!!!

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« Reply #147 on: May 21, 2023, 15:53:55 pm »
Process of making the cuts

Unfortunately I found that it was not stainless steel 304 because magnets glue to it very strong

I don’t remember but I guess it will probably oxidize but may still work to prove the concept maybe…

I wanted the magnetic fields to be focus on the water and I guess the electrodes being magnetic will draw field up to they saturate that may only happen at very high field …

Anyway I’m going to keep going to see if any effect can happen only because of voltage induced

The resonant movements will be less because of this…

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Re: My new approach
« Reply #148 on: May 22, 2023, 19:48:57 pm »
First tests

Applied dc to see the distribution of charge

Strangely the voltage across the cells vary a lot

There is a positive a negative and 3 neutral plates

It seem the neutral plate will kind of float and the measurement depend on where you touch the probe

They are mounted on the 3d printed tank so the sizes should match…

Anyway even having a very large distances closing the turn lot of gas is generated

Now let’s hope the induced voltage is more linear…

I made the abs tank water tight by using acetone

The coil having around 50turns gives 12,7mh with two cores…

Adding water with 0 ppm changed nothing

Adding potassium hydroxide changed everything

The inductance increased and when applying dc to the cells  it also increased

This is unexpected as adding a load should reduce the inductance measured

Very interesting

Now I’m wiring the coil to the switching to play with




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Re: My new approach
« Reply #149 on: May 23, 2023, 02:40:42 am »
Ok

I believe I found why resonance will be useful

As I explained the cells are the secondaries and they need be discharged as the voltage is induced into it

The way I see this is having two wfcs one for each half wave

If you remember my tests from 2008 the resonant circuit I build was capable of creating a high voltage and current resonance that made the current into the electrodes in alternate way

So the key seem that the resonant circuit allow energy to be acummulated in the coil while lagging current

So it allows the cells to give out most of its power while accumulating it in the most affordable manner

So we need at least two coils and two complete cells

A capacitor to resonate

Two diodes

And a way to send energy into that

Making the resistance of the coils very small is possible to get a high quality factor allowing a high current and voltage build allowing and increase in coupling to the cell

The main idea is that resonance allow high current flow at zero voltage and it does that accumulating energy out of phase

The magic happens mainly because the capacitor works like a short circuit when reverse charged and the coil limits the current

A trifilar coil is needed where all dots are connected together while

 la is connected to the anode of a diode that has its cathode going  to wfc 1 negative

Lb goes to a diode cathode and anode is connected to the positive of the wfc 2

Lc is connected to the resonant capacitor and receive in parallel a high voltage from a transformer

Although all inductances in series subtract their voltage a resulting inductance will result this can be summed with another coil in series with the capacitor

The trifilar coils serve to allow the energy to flow from the first transformer to the Lc coil and be transferred to the wfcs while decoupling the rest of the circuit of the induced voltage

This way water receive the field but it don’t interfere in the resonance as it cancel out

Each wfc will generate half wave to the resonant tank and the higher is the voltage in the tank the higher is the voltage generated at the wfcs

There is zero volts between the dots of the trifilar coil that a key to get the feedback to self sustain the oscillation

A current sensing would provide the perfect phase feedback since the resonance will bring the impedance of the Lc very high meaning at resonance the current will be in phase with voltage so it can be tuned the way I show in the pll last video

That would be a way to make it withou a generator as a load and feeding it back

The resonant trifilar do all the job with the capacitor and diodes to make the wfcs continuously generate gas and electricity with no moving parts












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Re: My new approach
« Reply #150 on: May 23, 2023, 10:27:55 am »
I’m using this node Mcu in arduino I select the generic esp32 … the module is the esp32 wroom32

With that code the frequency output is pretty much like the fracture cell output… exact same

Except it don’t have the gate yet…

The wave form can vary from 0 to 200 %

At 100 the squares are equal in mark space

Over 100 it overlaps the waves and below it create a gap between the pulses

So is exactly the same output of the fracture cell except it’s not a train of pulses …

Missing it yet



I love arduino too.....
Made some nice stuff with them..... ;)

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Re: My new approach
« Reply #151 on: May 23, 2023, 10:36:15 am »
Yes is very useful!!

I simply love it! I can make anything with that provided some time to figure out…

This frequency generator is going to be pretty useful specially if we succeed in making it more stable

However seems already useable and I may give it a try

Late in the night yesterday I found a way to make it with a single cell instead of two

It only needs a bifilar coil than …  it may be my goal to start

Resonance is very useful as Z become =R and if R is really low it’s essentially a short circuit

Therefore the output of the wfc is always having this kind of load

The interesting is how this “load” is actually a transformer from which voltage is than feedback into the wfc by inducing power output from it  over and over again

Using multiple core advantages

You can have half turn or multiple fractions depending on the number of cores in same transformer



 
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