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Positive on outside
« Reply #104 on: April 14, 2023, 06:53:34 am »
As I explained water become a kind of generator when in action

Citing Stan

Particle oscillation as energy generator by electrical stress

This mean that the positive electrode will become negative after the positive pulse

I remember electrodes getting polarity reversal in my experiments and I believe in this experiments it was related to the hydrogen dissolved in water and the positive being applied to the outer electrode

In plasma if you have different electrodes areas they will give a potential difference associated with the charge interaction with the plates

Today there are orp meters ph meyers tds and ec Metters and hydrogen concentration meters available

The hydrogen one works in ppb

Meyer drawings show mostly the positive on outer electrode despite the fact that hydrogen would work best given twice the area of oxygen electrode for normal electrolysis.. so as I’m saying is more of a manner to capture this electrons excess as exemplified by meyer

When energy flow thru different dimensions they can still interact with each other specially because of skin effect…

The higher the frequency is the current flows only thru a very thin layer and it may be teleported into the molecules orbits by action of electrical stress

This differ from simple field effect emission or other types… at a point current may flow mostly  thru water and not thru the electrode

As I explained before is a very complex system that works together to make a chemical reaction, a physical reaction and all this depends on geometric configuration and even a threshold, resonance, and inter dimensional energy transfer

Hope it rises some interest in good minds working on this subject

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Did you ever see this patent Japanese from Stan 16
« Reply #105 on: April 14, 2023, 07:10:22 am »
Figure 5 and 6

This is a wave guide I think

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« Reply #106 on: April 18, 2023, 11:54:41 am »
Feedback boards arrived they are very well designed with many many vias connecting the ground plane to the ground traces… and ground planes is specially designed to get the cleanest signal possible up to 300MHZ

is a rail to rail works with 2.7 to 5.5 v…

this will be connected to a feedback transformer that is connected in parallel with a resistor that goes in series with the cell and the vic input

so when voltage is in phase with current it will lock

the frequency of this current will be double… so the other input of the phase comparator must receive also a signal of doubled frequency…

the feedback freq could be divided by 2 but than it could lead to some problems of locking i guess… although is a good idea to have the signal going thru it as it will give a 50% perfect square wave… that is better to work with the pll for tune… not sure its needed… may be simpler to add a small coil to the dc chokes where this signal is doubled and take that feedback!

the resonant charging chokes may be wound in parallel forming a bifilar coil… a diode connected to each wire at one end and the rest to outer electrode..

a very small choke can be also run from the center tap to the inner electrode.. or it must be on the same assembly with the resonant coils because otherwise it will cause phase to differ…

the important part here is to have the electrical resonance to match with the cavity resonance…. that may be rather high Q…. so perhaps the phase comparator must get this signal otherwise…to compare with the current feedback…

pll freq gen with the controller got an outstanding resolution and is very easy to tune…

is possible to go from 0 to 10MHZ and the frequency selection resolution for manual tuning is 0.01HZ for now but can be improved for lower frequencies specially

im just trying to get around a glitch when it change the frequency.. the output wave gets a weird signal

so the outputs will go straight to the amplifier…

i got amazed with the result…

the frequency is pretty stable and it only vary slightly with ambient temperature i guess..

finally i have a frequency generator! now is about resolving the glitch bug and making it become a pll

i already wrote some of the pll code is indeed simple…

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Re: My new approach
« Reply #107 on: April 19, 2023, 01:55:01 am »
The main glitch is gone…

Now it works very very nice…

Above few hundred kHz the duty cycle get unstable

I tried runing the sine wave thru the feedback board and it don’t make a clean square wave

I may need to change some components specially to work on very low voltage input…

With 10 ohm resistor 1ma give 10mv so it must be able to give a square wave with this…

The current transformer may have a gain of 10:1 so it’s going to have 100mv output

I believe we could get a couple of diodes in parallel with the resistor to decrease the power dissipation when current is above certain value

It will also limit the voltage

It will be enough to set the threshold

There is a minimum glitch still very random while changing the frequency not sure why… but may not be able to damage the power switching ckt

There may be a way to make it completely glitch free… hope I can get it

I was looking if maybe there is some other better chip than this 9833 for later improvement but this was a good starting point!

With the encoder button and the boot button on the esp I hope to be able to control all the parameters and be able to save…

The encoder changes the values selected

The frequency is changed acceleration proportional to the current frequency so it’s very well responsive

I added two more modes of changing 0.1hz at time and 0.01… turning the knob slow it goes hz by hz

I regret that I never invested in a frequency generator like this in the past… could have help

Any way now I’m just about to add the pll code and all the commands to save and control…

Stan must be rolling on his grave right now

As phase can be also selected in the 9833 I guess it may allow to change the phase instead of the frequencies

I’m switching between the registers instead of using just one because it was the source of the main glitch

I still didn’t split the work on the two cores either…

The buttons are set in this way

The encoder button when clicked goes to 0.1hz precision and than 0.01 with another click

Clicking 3 times goes to functions selection

Clicking two times confirm the value and goes to the next function

A long click in the boot will save

3 clicks will turn the scanning circuit on

To stop the pll just reset and it will get back to the saved settings

I’m going to test with my guitar speaker as a load just to see if the glitch’s won’t hurt if some power is applied…

I’m going to use one of my old dc power supply for it as it can vary from 0 to 30v up to 40amps so no limits for the amplifier

I’m going to add a fuse on each channel just to limit the current to 7,5 amps

It has two channels and it’s rated 400 watts so I guess may be enough

If any one interested the part number is xh-m251 another thank to Steve who send me a donation to help me buy it few years ago!

The next test will obviously be to find the so called water resonance…

I want to use sine wave first to find the frequency by measuring the current and finding the point of resistance increases

Knowing that will be just about setup the rest of the circuit and pulse it with more power

This week some equipment is going to arrive that is going to help me finding the best configuration for the cell

Spend 80 dollars on it… hope it helps…

There’s lot to do… but everyday I can get on it seems like the conclusion gets closer

Luckily the more I work on it some how it brings me luck and so my products started selling more… still not enough to pay my bills but enough to keep me excited about it…

Also the more I work more I Learn and better scientist I become

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« Reply #108 on: April 20, 2023, 00:37:03 am »
Here is the diagram of what I’m talking about

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« Reply #109 on: April 20, 2023, 10:49:07 am »
I’m intrigued with Stephen Meyer reason to make another patent since they already have had the patents

I imagine

Water fuel cell was the best name Stan could give to it

In few days I may have my water cracking like a sprite bottle opening for the first time after a string shaking

Did you ever see that?

I’m really thankful to have survived to see this tech coming out… I’m sorry my father could t make it… my greatest regret about taking so long is my dad can’t see it.

One of my plans if this work is to make the health system pay for their atrocities like taking my dad life for example and from may of people without them knowing!

You can write that on a paper because it’s going to happen!

I’m not sad about anyone or anything else I don’t have enemies and have zero time for that…

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Re: My new approach
« Reply #110 on: April 20, 2023, 17:18:30 pm »
The Gate will be a fraction of the frequency divided by n… so there is going to be the ACEL control 0-100 and the n division factor 0 - 1000 …

the only available LED will show the lock of course

A will stand for aceleration will be the main power control..”GATE”   control 0-100  … clicking config set the N .. clicking again set min clicking again set max … hold click for 2 seconds it save 
If later i add a digital amplitude control i may change this… but for now it will be connected to a physical accelerator in the car…
B Bandwidth
C Center frequency
Idle RPM
F feedback min current to lock // control phase of comparison (adding a short delay to compensate for components delay like the power igbt turn on off time and other

L lock error bandwidth 
P set the maximum pressure allowed into the cell … cuts the gate to zero if reach selected pressure and if something is required to stop the reaction other than that it will need to act to prevent explosion

…. i will use the first digit on the display to show the letter and display the values to change… i may use a second display later but i just want to keep it simple.. one display one button one controller one encoder, one feedback board, one add9833 board… and thats all.. lets hope it works

i was thinking maybe the glitch i still see may come from the rotary encoder lib that uses interrupts and so when it may interrupt a signal going to the ad chip it may cause the glitch

splitting the functions between the 2 cores into frequency generation and user input may resolve that…

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Re: My new approach
« Reply #111 on: April 21, 2023, 06:59:49 am »
Did some tests with the new equipment today…

I found that the geometry I was using may not be the preferred… anyway I’m going to give It a try as there is some more to it than just the geometry

And it was many hours of work to build it… also there is an aspect of skin effect that is going to be better to test with this geometry and dimensions…

I’m using a 3 inch pvc pipe as the cavity and decided to make it 30cm long

My electrodes field sources  has 4 cm length for now same sizes as Stan 3/4 and 1/2 inch

The fist step is finding resonance By using sine wave and monitoring current with a resonant cavity

Second set the Lc to match to it and make it able to consume the energy generated on water

I was going to test today but everyday more and more happens and take me out of the way… work work work

Hope it ends this weekend

To measure the current I may initially use the dp30k differential meter across a resistor of about 10 ohms in series with the cell

The current may get restricted specially during half pulse during the second half of the pulse the frequency doubles as the water may suddenly change from high impedance to reverse voltage aka dead short condition so a second source of impedance is needed during the short period..

So that may be a simple inductance on a separate core or may even be on the same core of the resonant chokes forming the called by Stan tricoil assembly

Each choke have a high current discharge and it discharge direct to the water but is feed thru the third coil from the negative side so this can be a thinner wire as this section is not going to contribute to the resonance at least not directly

This make the Vic simply a primary and a secondary with center tap … or as I explained on the unipolar style with two cores and two primaries having a common secondary

That’s the first stage of development because it easy thing up… if that work than a Vic with all in one coils may be necessary or better…

This is simpler because the resonance can be tuned easier adding capacitors adding more turns etc while the input power is standardized

This is how solve the problems break into smaller bits

One thing that is going to be very important is a choke that comes from dc source and a capacitor after a component and also a diode anode with them  connected to the primary start…

Why you think Stan talk about skin effect?

In the hydrogen gas gun you have what components? Is just about design?

I watched a launch from a rocket and I believe they are actually using it already! From a long time! I’m not sure if Stan didn’t took it from them actually…

Is not really plausible siting your ass in a rocket full of hydrogen tanks and get launched… kkk

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