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« Reply #168 on: November 19, 2024, 07:00:47 am »
Incidentally, a very small amount of electrolysis is actually needed as gas is needed to be produced at the beginning to change the resistivity of the WFC to allow higher reactance and in turn a higher voltage to be applied to the WFC.  So we are not blocking all current as massive was suggesting.  A very small amount is still needed to start the process.

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« Reply #169 on: November 19, 2024, 11:47:07 am »
What make you believe that? and according to your perspective why would current get restricted?

On my theory when current get restricted for example water have 220v backemf and I apply 200ma for example this result in at least44watts going in ( is just an example ) dis considering the resistance let’s say was 500ohm Woud cause hundred volts  drop consume for a total of 150w or so when ther is no energy acumulated applying 320v result in 640ma initially and when the restriction works it drops to 200ma

So this need a 200w power supply just to kick in the power and when it’s charged it drops to 144 (wrong ) because the restriction
(Correcting) I confused voltage for watts in this example actually this hundred volts on the 500ohm is consuming 20w so when “charged” in this example the power would drop to 64 w ! 20 for the resistance and 44 on the backemf
Again this is just an example so you can understand how it all relates in this idea

The resistance of bubbles would be linear increasing as the bubbles increase do you agree?

If the current is taken from a backemf the graph is exponential like Stan show the amp restriction graphs

Current = (vin - backemf) / ohms

The higher is the applied voltage the greater is the restriction because it’s resistance increases exponentially as energy get accumulated on the water cell in form of vibrations generation or if in for of induced electric

Like the piezo anti resonance it’s movement and deformation causes the bemf

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« Reply #170 on: November 19, 2024, 14:08:36 pm »
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What make you believe that? and according to your perspective why would current get restricted?
You need to understand the difference between these two attached schematic diagrams and how V=IZ is applied to the VIC at resonance.

You have to understand what the problem actually is before you can understand how to design the VIC to solve it. 
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« Reply #171 on: November 19, 2024, 19:43:32 pm »
But why you believe that? Did you ever got any monster gas production in this condition or maybe amp restriction with some gas?

So far as long as I ever see only magnetic field could indeed interfere with the ions

Please explain what you mean … I understand of course whatever scientific term you use

Let’s try to get somewhere

I tried hard to find any changes in water resistance with lab view and got nothing for a long time

Do you have different results?

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« Reply #172 on: November 21, 2024, 01:49:12 am »
Incidentally, a very small amount of electrolysis is actually needed as gas is needed to be produced at the beginning to change the resistivity of the WFC to allow higher reactance and in turn a higher voltage to be applied to the WFC.  So we are not blocking all current as massive was suggesting.  A very small amount is still needed to start the process.

Strange, I thought over the last few days I just did explain.   Just to also re emphasize, it is necessary to change the resistivity of the cell by replacing water with gas.  This can be done by starting off with electrolysis. Otherwise it will be too difficult to get the charge high enough.

I have a significant understanding of how the VIC works now.  Take some time to piece together what I've posted.

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« Reply #173 on: November 21, 2024, 17:03:41 pm »
I also believe to have a great understanding of the Vic and of all claimed by Stan but never got any good gas from it

The closer I got to what I could call amp restriction was the way I described using the Vic coils in resonance over the cell

Using pure water the restriction was greater I guess because the voltage drop occur on the gap above some voltage

From my understanding the bubbles won’t be able to restrict the amps in exponential form it may be linear at most with current flow so it would only impede current above a very very high current and this is not what we hear from Meyer he indeed talk about miliamps

I ask why you believe to understand why you so sure of that because although I even heard some people claiming such idea of the gas being the precursor of the reaction non of them ever show anything working so I’m totally skeptical until lay least a graph show some non linear behavior

Physics don’t lie and from the lenz law we have most needed understanding to create electromagnetic transducer

So far it seem to me the Chinese device is pretty much interesting and I would bet they are using direct induction

I may find some time this weekend to try that

I already have the components needed I just need time


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« Reply #174 on: November 21, 2024, 17:30:48 pm »
I may provide further information soon.

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« Reply #175 on: November 24, 2024, 12:49:12 pm »