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Who said anything about blocking current.

None other than Stan Meyers himself. He said many times ".... yada yada, Blocking diode..." and the diode is in every "circuit" diagram on the net.

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Did Stan Meyer show a circuit to anyone?    The answer is no, he did not

V=IR

If you want to measure 20kV across water, which has a low resistance to electric current before electrolysis occurs, what do you suppose the amp level needs to be?

Obviously it can't be zero, can it?  Otherwise voltage would be zero.

But it can't be high current either or you will have electrolysis instead of water splitting.

So how do you get high voltage with low resistance without getting high current?

KISS

As I mentioned earlier, the VIC is a DC circuit due to the diode, but it contains a pseudo-AC circuit formed by the chokes and water capacitor. In this part of the circuit, the relationship follows V=IZ, where Z is the reactive impedance, which limits current.

The VIC leverages reactive impedance through inductors and the water capacitor, rather than relying purely on resistance. The inductive chokes resist rapid changes in current dynamically, and their opposing mutual inductance further suppresses current flow. Meanwhile, resonance between the chokes and the water capacitor allows energy to oscillate efficiently, recycling energy within the circuit to build up voltage across the capacitor over time without requiring continuous high current input. This ensures the voltage rises high enough to induce breakdown without significant energy losses through conduction or electrolysis.

The bottom line is, the resistance value of the chokes and secondary aren't as important as the reactance and impedance values being matched to the WFC at resonance because it is the reactive impedance that solves the equation of high voltage with low current.  So the WFC and chokes need to be designed with high reactive impedance within specific frequency ranges in mind based on the variable range of the capacitance of the WFC.

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I used to log in and keep an eye on Tektrical / electrotek. I guess people didn't pay much attention to him. He was investigating HV experiments, spark gaps, plasma etc. He was in his 70s, I guess he is no longer here. last log in Nov 2022. maybe Covid, maybe just time caught up.

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I wouldn't be interested in HV across water. Theoretically, H atom is 1 proton and 1 electron. Electrons are the same thing out of a battery.
X and Z is based on freq. R is constant; V and I vary. The sawtooth output is max HV and then decays to zero. The primary circuit has switched off, so cannot be damaged by the secondary.
I experiment with HV FBT and my interest is short circuits, which is V/R = I, the R stays constant. This is why I was interested in elecktrotek's experiments with neon light transformer etc. V moves electrons, remembering there is a HV diode. FBT don't need to be "resonant", it is one pulse at any time and Idle time in between.

I never thought to ask electrotek what he thought of Stan Meyers. I don't think he was following SM

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The bottom line is, the resistance value of the chokes and secondary aren't as important as the reactance and impedance values being matched to the WFC at resonance because it is the reactive impedance that solves the equation of high voltage with low current.  So the WFC and chokes need to be designed with high reactive impedance within specific frequency ranges in mind based on the variable range of the capacitance of the WFC.

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I used to log in and keep an eye on Tektrical / electrotek. I guess people didn't pay much attention to him. He was investigating HV experiments, spark gaps, plasma etc. He was in his 70s, I guess he is no longer here. last log in Nov 2022. maybe Covid, maybe just time caught up.

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I wouldn't be interested in HV across water. Theoretically, H atom is 1 proton and 1 electron. Electrons are the same thing out of a battery.
X and Z is based on freq. R is constant; V and I vary. The sawtooth output is max HV and then decays to zero. The primary circuit has switched off, so cannot be damaged by the secondary.
I experiment with HV FBT and my interest is short circuits, which is V/R = I, the R stays constant. This is why I was interested in elecktrotek's experiments with neon light transformer etc. V moves electrons, remembering there is a HV diode. FBT don't need to be "resonant", it is one pulse at any time and Idle time in between.

I never thought to ask electrotek what he thought of Stan Meyers. I don't think he was following SM

I remember reading his posts about it

My impression is that Meyer hid so well his ideas behind citation of other patents

Like the tay he Han and the ultrasonic one…

Reading that and seeing other parents that cited it as well I started to think Meyer was far more intelligent than he wanted to seem

I mean he had that thing but would not show not even talk about what really make it work but did in such a manner that show so many things and parts that keep people right off from it…

In Hollywood films this is how they explore the ideas they show you one thing to get you amazed so they can literally talk shit and you are still thinking on the shiny thing you saw before

Meyer used this to hide the essentials while he could show lots of details

In my research on the ultrasonic patent he cited I came across the phenomenon of anti resonance in ultrasonic piezo

That is welding piezo are driven this way to keep it feed with high voltage and low current so when you apply pressure and change the resonance it than suck power in and weld plastics

The thing is that applying it to water become clear that the cell is simply a resonant cavity but also possibly a transducer

So if driven to certain condition it will acumulate energy and this energy work back generating a back emf that cuts current flow

The Vic is simply a transformer to push power to the cell but it will only work if the cell have the correct fields configuration “magnetic” and frequency

Without it is just a piece of metal that will never have any other result than electrolysis

This lead to another idea that I started on the past ten years that was the water coil

Where I tried to induce the high voltage by electromagnetic

However I used a long water line and a transformer instead of a resonant atestem so although I could get some voltage the water ends when connected to each other would result in zero current

So I designed other ways of doing it

All that because if we get te energy from inside out the voltage drop should be less of a problem for efficiency since it’s reversed so we would be using the electricity and the gas

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Induction cooktop is perhaps the easier way to show

You need a two cells connected to each othe with two diodes Basicaly shorting the anode of one to the cathode of the other

Than connect this two cell with a tube and fill with water and place on the cooktop

It will show voltage on the ends

Now if we maybe match the frequency of the cooktop tank with the length perhaps we get a surprise

The tubes can be made with pvc connection for example a c shape over the cocktop and some curves to make the cells vertical and farther than the field so it won’t heat up the cells metals

If the electrodes are catalytic probably is better but than it need a membrane to separate the gases to impeded from recombining

Each cell this way should generate hydrogen and oxygen at their respective electrodes where the current flow

The potential however come from induction captured and propagated by the dielectric and cocnductive properties of water

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When Meyer says he used voltage as potential energy and water as source of electrons it become evident that the cells together with this structure and fields can propagate potential thru the water tube but capture” current at the tips by using water as source of electrons

Another way of view it is you have two baths connected by a wire that goes to a grown inside each bath

Than each bath have a cell and they are connected like before in tandem with diodes shorting the cells

If we place this wire over the cooktop it will give the baths a voltage ac but the cells will use this ac potencial and drive current thru the diodes

In this case the propagation happen thru this grounds fluctuating by the wire

So the ground is receiving ac giving to each cell half reaction

If the ground is a catalyst it may help reducing the loss of potential there and it will probably heat up on this reaction

Heat is another form of energy that can cause voltage

Well the point is without this wire and grounds the induction is propagated thru water itself