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« Reply #72 on: October 19, 2023, 10:32:57 am »
You know when meyer talk about short ckt

Water is only a perfect short ckt if we're able to have a zero voltage drop on the conversion  of the gas

That mean it would become a short ckt if a very high flow of amps can discharge with minimum voltage drop

In my project I have this principle of inducing on the water such a field that it will be able to hopefully reduce this voltage drop and even perhaps reverting it into a generating voltage increase leading to a perfect shirt

On the other hand If the polarity is reversed the sum of the collapsing voltage could be applied in sync with the voltage applied to the electrodes allowing to restrict the amps by creating a canceling field inside the water and because of this somewhat a higher voltage could be applied... in this sense also it act as a direct feedback

I'm working on a different configuration of electrodes to be able to use the electromagnetic field for that

I still don't understand how meyer could maintain such a field inside those concentric tubes...

He call it resonant cavity but if is not to work at megahertz or even ghz the only possible manner I see is to make it sit in a magnetic field and provide that it can resonate at ultrasonic such that the movement of charges together with the magnetic fields creates this opposing or summing voltages I described

To capture the voltage the cells must be some specif fraction of the wave length so it capture only the zone of highest velocity

Or is possible to tap the voltage in series in a multisegmented cell...

That because otherwise the region generating more will be taken by the region with less velocity because of the voltage difference there

One of the reasons water create a voltage drop is because of hydrogen  forming on the negative electrode!

It develop a capacitive voltage field to the other electrode

Forcing who wants to flow a current over it to need a overvoltage to accomplish the task

Ultrasonic would kindly stripe the bubbles of the electrodes rapidly and reduce this required over potential...

As this over potential is capacitive its related to field between the plates and water system

When i mean it's capacitive may not be straight mean of the word I mean the current flow on the electrode to the double layer has minimum resistance since water ions are already absorbed so the energy does not really go there...

The energy is consumed due to the potential you're required to apply to overcome this capacitive potential

That's why I'm trying to directly manipulate it with electromagnetic fields and or with ultrasonic resonance and those combination of fields..

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« Reply #73 on: October 19, 2023, 10:45:49 am »
Just to clarify better that capacitive field I mention actually is due to the triple-reactional-phase of the electrolyte electrode and membrane in case of fuel cells .

So the idea is to get rid of it

The bubbles are attached to the electrode because they are charged and molecules are dialtomic and bipolar and don't want to accept this charge

When an electrode is inside water it will be full of ionized ions absorbed into it.. of both kinds.. voltage is needed to create a population inversion on the electrodes

Meyer may be correct saying that current don't need to flow

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« Reply #74 on: October 19, 2023, 13:50:48 pm »
Meyer also said KISS.

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« Reply #75 on: October 19, 2023, 18:44:43 pm »
Yes but if you think about thats not so complicated… it just sounds like

he talk about restricting the amps… to allow voltage take over and do the work…

in a patent he also explain that even a minimal voltage difference would cause current to flow..

so if we get the other way its much simpler… when i mean put water to generate the voltage so it can be discharged

thats why im trying this prototype with fields interacting with water as if it was one turn…

i placed my prototype on my table where i work every day so i can have more motivation for testing whenever i have a time.. but is rare

my phone still down soon i may put some more pics for context

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« Reply #76 on: October 21, 2023, 13:06:16 pm »
I imagine that meyer managed to make the cell resonate in electromagnetic sense of the word and that's how he prevented the current to flow...

There must be a way that water create a backemf in a manner as to prevent current flow behaving like a motor spinning up... ininitialy it need a lot of current but as speed rise it lower...  in the motor os because of frequency and backemf

I don't know enough about cavity resonators to understand how would even be possible to maintain such a electromagnetic wave imprisoned on the concentric cell...

I'm willing to get to know more about in the next years to perhaps understand better this modes of resonances in concentric cavities

When we match the impedance of the load with the transmission line current get in phase with voltage when in resonance but that also mean the gain is zero.

In this condition there is no reflection of the load meaning that the current in equals current output

When the load has a mismatch this causes a difference in input and output currents and voltages a impedance transformation as the reflections goe against the originating fields in case of a load with lower impedance than the line and in the oposite case it will have a higher input curren than output

The Beauty of this is that is self adjustable..  since as the load increases impedance it keeps putting more and more power out different of a transformer where the input output impedance transformation is fixed...

I think meyer really took advantage of that to intensify the voltage and minimize current as possible at load side

Perhaps to drive a resonant circuit and be able to have a better way than flyback to get the fields on the cell

I think if we still think the cell from the charge point of view we are not seeing not even the tip of the iceberg

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« Reply #77 on: October 21, 2023, 23:07:39 pm »
There some images in my head of bifilar coils making a second ckt I think it come from what I studied about antennas and balloons trying to understand this stuff about impedance matching

I will describe it for u

It would consist of a secondary with a center tap and it's connected regularly as stan show but each choke has a bifilar partner speaker wire like

This second wire is connected to ground Center tap and to each other... but ate  the ends they connect to the cell too

The idea is to have them split in reference to  ground and not to each other while on the other side they are shorting with the bifilar coil partner respectively

To inpart a good power to the water the z of this lines must be low

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« Reply #78 on: October 22, 2023, 00:59:06 am »
To have a lower impedance z of the line it must have a high capacitance how much Is high enought?

My best view of it is that it must be in the few ohms range

That because water need some leakage so is important that the impedance transformation have enough amps to deliver at those high voltage tips ...

If I could buy some copper foil than I would roll with paper and dip in oil

It would Cost a lot to make it very long...

Adding q core can help lower the length but it increase the coupling among this transmission line formed too and it
Also it increase the impedance as each turn will have more inductance

To be able to kick in it must be able to bring the water to have this impedance ending... so If you start with a high impedance line will be much harder or impossible to bring water to the point needed maybe only would work on very pure water..

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« Reply #79 on: October 22, 2023, 01:06:00 am »
Seb, I think you are way over-complicating it.

The VIC has 5 simple components and 2 simple functions.

The components of the first function (resonant circuit) are:
3x coils (inductive value)
1x diode
1x water capacitor

At resonance, when the circuit is purely resistive, the components of the second function are:
3x coils (resistive value)
1x diode
1x water resistor

Consider how these work when impedance matched.