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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2023, 22:17:14 pm »
Way back in time, Aaron showed a diagram that the microwave diode hooked to only 2 series diodes to ground would give the same effect for spark plasma.. This may be an error. His US Patent has a charged capacitor releasing EXISTING left over residual energy through a high voltage diode to make larger spark. His other data talks about high volts pressing against an ON diode that shuts off and reversing back to spark plug. It seems to me that a diode needs a small voltage on it to be in an ON STATE, and a MUCH higher volts just to get the higher spark blast.?

My original assumption was that Nathren (S1R9A9M9) also used one set of dual coils relays on the Briggs MOWER engine, since the sets also worked on the earlier car conversions.Then there is also OHMS law for circuit total resistance required for the 10amps flow through the 125 ohm spark plug. I have his original statements from the website about extra parts included in plastic tub on side of mower engine, with the S1R triple coils and an Inductor from a relay of about 1.5Millihenry. He would have also included accessory spark gap, diodes, and a 400v distributor CONDENSER, --- as a play on words, as he said "no capacitor was used". The charged condenser with diode output would also add EFFECT to the firing spark plug, as long as there was somewhere a ground point in behind diode. His final report was not forthcoming, and we are left to figure it out on our own work benches. Does any one know if Aaron's special circuit would work with coil inductor on voltage, or if it would "hold" a charge like a Cap does?

The twin conductor extension cord was hooked to exact ground under spark plug as part of the "Y" with other end hooked to plastic tub. The male plug was probably bridged. This was either a LONG required ground return line back to the Batt/ Alternator, or an actual ground for the tub circuit. There were 3 wires entering tub with 2 output wires. The high and low volts was ajoint inside the tub. (Yes-- the ignition volts was on the Battery and alternator as a hazzard.) The Briggs engine started on the battery, then battery completely disconnected, and circuit then ran on the under flywheel dual alternators with the revolving 12 MAGNETS. See his mower engine again, self running on water in carb. S1R9A9M9 You tube videos 1+2.

Nathren's schematic diagram for water powered circuit for auto 8 cylinders shows certain facing diodes, so that the negative firing 1978 HEI ignition coil would not fire spark plugs. Ignition bypasses plugs and goes to ground through 2 diodes. The old style coil in distributor cap type could have had the 2 primary wires switched around , so,as having POSITIVE high voltage output, which then would fire the plugs. The low voltage power in was halfwave pulsing DC , so as no diodes of a Bridge Rectifier there for a source to ground for a special separate diode discharge.

The 2 technicians in the Georgia work shop did not tell Nathren everything. He even believed the car spark plugs with 10 flowing amps were original copper Autolite type with 6000 ohms resistance. As him being a non technical person, I can see now why a detailed work booklet was not going to be available to the public.

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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2023, 09:56:17 am »
I understand. i think.

The whole idea is to get HV and some kind of amps.
That is possible, because we talk here about interrupted elektrolysis and sparks.
In opposite to the waterfuelcell, who is always on, a spark related system never always sparks...
That gives you the time to store joules for the amps....

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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2023, 16:57:10 pm »
S1R9A9M9 from 2008, used 6-7 amps through zero ohms spark plug, to produce water vapor pressure along with electrolysis Hydrogen at spark plug in engine. His v8 car was on low power , about -34 degrees late timing, but was on 18 miles per gallon only mineral water, for about 3000 miles, until locked up in security garage. His Briggs 18HP mower engine was on 10 amps through spark plug of 125 ohms. He used cross leakage inductance high volts from the triple magnetic coils assembly to raise up the low volts to over 1300v , so as the 10 amps would go through spark plug. Ohms law 10a X 125 ohm = about 1300v required.  (The shop technicians did not know certain plugs can have the resistor removed, for a racing zero ohms spark plug.) Too many amps burns out the tiny electrodes of spark plugs. They said to use 6-7 amps as best. The capacitor discharges are too fast. Needs time for contact of water with the current discharge. That's why inductive ignition is required - not CDI. S1R9A9M9 Cars and mower engine conversions to water, all used Inductive ignition with 3 terminal autotransformer. This is my bench project for a while now. See my other data  messages on Energy Science Forum and Free Energy forum.

Aaron's special circuit had to do with adding it to water spark plug design, so as there is a proper/ better plasma path for spark plug electrodes. Very low value capacitance, but about 200volts DC charge. This is separate circuit than the major amps. It has to come from a bridge rectification so as there is a ground through 2 of the diodes, so as the 15kv high voltage transfer diode can reference that path, before it slams shut and hi V reverses back to the spark plug. This is Patented.  This was CDI type type ignition primary and secondary transformer, , but parts could be added to your design without being CDI, just to get this better plasma path.

The Water Fuel Cell company by Meyer, had the best Hydrogen generator . 3000% efficiency. PLAIN ONLY Water cell was a capacitor and was in resonance with the( 2) L inductor coils with pulsing DC > than 1500v.. The added  inductors after pulser transformer, can perform back EMF for a much higher voltage to cell. The inductors were resistance wire- not copper. . His Patent on this was commonly now called VOLTROLYSIS. The VW car drove around first on a water cell, then later changed to complicated water injectors per cylinder with circuit boards. Sensor circuit added to keep water level same for first water cell, for same resonant frequency of the water capacitor. This is for ionized HHO  free fuel which has more energy content - not common H2 + O2.

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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2023, 17:03:31 pm »
A successful conversion of a small mower engine to run on water in carburetor, is based on several actions at the same time. The ignition type has to be inductive ignition, not capacitor discharge ignition. This means the amps flowing through the spark plug must be from a DC power supply. The speed of CDI is too fast for proper contact with water molecules to MAKE hydrogen gas and water vapor pressure. The current has to be low, so as the tiny tips of plugs don't get burned out. The best setting was called 6-7 amps DC pulse according to S1R9A9M9.  Nathren , in 2005-2012 worked with the 2 technicians in the shop for testing building alternate energy related set ups. Ignition primary wires can be switched around to get the opposite output polarity high volts.  One man was his son who had the same name. They both contributed tech data on the previous website that is now closed down. So you have either positive or negative high voltage, diodes facing proper direction, proper resistance in circuit based on OHMS Laws, time delay lines added for way late retarded timing to -34 degrees, required magnetic field that travels down to plug tips ,and 6-7 amps DC current. The high volts pulse is NOT good enough to provide a proper PLASMA PATH for the expected current to pass through plugs. What is used is an added small circuit that has a SMALL capacitor charged with about 200v DC against a blocking 15kv FAST diode , hooked to the capacitor output. The initial high V. pulse out, in split second ,sees a different path rather than the effort for the spark gap. It presses against the ON diode that abruptly shuts off , compressing the high volts against the diode , that then reverses back and fires spark plug.. It takes with it, the small cap discharge very fast, providing energy path for the waiting main current. The delay line is provided by wire turns over the plug wiring, and also an inductor coil of about 1.5Millihenry in the high volts line. The Briggs mower has preset non adjustable timing at TDC. The Mag field stretches the firing time out to -34 degrees along with the the extra L coil.(see data on the S1R9A9M9 triple wire coils assembly that has several purposes same time). The MAIN power supply is to be called ISOLATED grounds, as is done with an Inverter box with a transformer separate secondary side with output single diode for about 45 volts pulsing half wave DC output. No filter capacitor. Output has to go through a safety series bank of 15kv total protection diodes . This short length series diode bank rests vertically on horizontal 80mm 12v fan .3amp, with see through plastic shroud. The heat released is blown upwards away from the diodes. Either FR607 with dual set screws European type wire terminal connectors, or fast flat plastic DTV32F plastic damper diodes on narrow aluminum heat sink. The inverter isolation separates the battery ground with the output power ground. The miniature added P.S. is a 150 watt 20khz open board  inverter with fast bridge rectifier you add on. Two output.wires are soldered to the appropriate terminals for 200v AC. .The high volts sees the 2 diodes in the bridge through the ON 15Kv diode. It wants to bypass the plug gap effort, by going different route seeking the opposite high V polarity terminal.  But the microwave diode stops it, and reverses back to plug. This technique is US Patented, US8555867B2 and has this output diode added to the capacitor that is on a regular type CDI . The left over energy, from firing Primary of ignition coil , goes through high volts diode along and goes with with the high voltage that fires plug. (Just firing ignition does not allow extra main energy current to pass to plugs. ) The small board power has to have enough watts and current to keep recharging the minimum 45uf 400v cap in between firings. The MAIN extra energy comes from the Inverter power supply. The ignition voltage has to be extended in time of milliseconds  for more contact with the water. The CDI type deals with microseconds. The 15KV diode is said to also release RADIANT ENERGY that travels down to the combustion chamber. Tesla worked with this and had written about other special circuits for that purpose. See data on Tesla Hair Pin circuit  that has extra spark gap and 2 capacitors output that releases radiant Energy.  The earlier Georgia  S1R9A9M9 car conversions all used special dual coils relay per cylinder, and they were IN VACUUM. I just assumed that the radiant energy if provided, was enclosed and not lost in the air, so as it would travel with the circuit all the way to spark plugs. They had diode, coil, diode, coil , diode to output. The high volts came in after the 2nd diode. Th L coil charge from inverter was in front of the 2nd diode. They called them the "Magic Relays'. The required magnetic field came from them and traveled down the wire. (Also, a  North + South neodymium magnetic ring type magnet fits over a steel spark plug and field is also there at the tips in combustion chamber-just another idea. 
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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2023, 23:36:36 pm »
The S1R9A9M9 car engine and lawn mower conversions to water in carbs back in 2005-2012,  required what's called PLASMA PATH  for the subsequent main energy going into the spark plugs. (To make it work) The Chevy V8 had a different, stronger, ignition coil called High Energy Ignition that was about 20-40Kv, instead of 10-15KV regular coil. A low high voltage does not allow extra, unusual,  heavy current to pass through spark plugs. The Elcamino had this HEI built into the 1978 distributor cap. They then switched around the primary 2 wires so as the output would be positive, rather than regular negative high voltage. The special relays were then added per cylinder with input of  both low and high volts + many exterior diodes. The 400Watt inverter changed the 110v AC to half wave DC using one diode, at about 45V DC. The car ran with lower power but about 18 miles per gallon of plain water. With the late timing and magnetic field that was added, The complete set up worked.
 
Then Nathren (S1R9A9M9) converted the Briggs 18HP riding mower engine to water, which is on the (2) 2008  You Tube videos. The common solid state trigger with (inductive type ignition) Magnetron coil on engine produced about 10kv while under compression. It's not enough to get the required PLASMA PATH for the forthcoming 10 amps current through spark plug. The added engine parts were enclosed in small plastic tub on side of engine. The hand wound S1R triple magnetic coils assembly,  accessory spark gap, and other parts that would be needed for plasma path such as ---a peaking PF high volts capacitor across plug, OR  high volts doubler circuit, OR  20kv blocking diode with small cap charge circuit to about 200v that would release fast  energy through spark plug previewing the main 10 amps current. A CDI high volts type ignition cannot be used as the output is in Microseconds, while the spark plug electrolysis for Hydrogen requires Milliseconds time for contact of water with the current. These options would be better as it is best to only use the lowest voltage possible for the isolated power supply for the project. If using an extended length series diodes safety protection bank of 20-25KV, that requires a higher input from power supply to counter the larger voltage loss through diodes string. This is more data for those following this issue.
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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2023, 02:47:10 am »
Fuel injection cannot be used with the duplication of the S1R9A9M9 mower engine conversion. The water/water vapor has to be DRAWN IN by engine vacuum for the point where the H20 becomes "volatile" at the LOWERED PISTON STROKE DOWNWARD and has the required plasma path, and subsequent 6-7  amps DC current max through spark plug. This was Nathren's and the shop technicians' new system back in 2005-2012 Georgia. You have not been reviewing the previous tech data on S1R9A9M9. The requirement is a riding lawn mower single cylinder Briggs engine, about 12-18 HP. They have interchangeable stronger alternators and dual alternators. The 17, 18HP has oil filter. Flywheel interchangeable with one with larger magnets one, for higher alternator output. Late Timing is in the range of about negative 34 degrees ATDC. The magnetic coils do that, or a built bracket to hold the adjustable Magnetron. The main power supply "isolated" is used at higher wattage to start engine, supply shut off, and then alternator self runs with full wave DC generated current from the 12 magnets under flywheel. Filter capacitor raises voltage. No V regulator allows higher volts and can be used also with V regulator same time, for battery charging at 14v. I ALREADY have a bench set up with 12HP engine, S1r modified triple magnetic coils assembly, P.S., modified alternator, adjustable EGR set up, Plasma path circuit, series protection diodes bank + end resistance circuit including zero ohms spark plug. The system has been changed over from Negative high volts to Positive high volts. Easier to work with and less chance of spark bypassing plug which it would absolutely happen with any cap or resistor or wire to ground that has positive ground spark. Accessory spark gap in series is a must. An engine would start /run idle speed , but would need 2 more things done. Main jet in carb later needs re drilled about 33% larger hole for power use , unless using gravity feed water hose to carb with brass adjustable needle valve. An EGR adjustable flow type needs to be applied to engine. 12v water valve and EGR vacuum valve controlled by adjustable vacuum switches for turn on +off. The embedded compressed Nitrogen from air is reused to increase engine efficiency and lower erratic running. 3rd Key switch position runs starter with water valve. Presence of vacuum keeps water flowing.There are 3 ways to get positive high volts from Briggs ignition Magnetron/Magneto. I built 19 attempts of power supplies, 4 of which that work as isolated grounds with sufficient output to counteract the diodes losses. I have built 40 different models of the S1R coils assembly. It does several things at the same time.

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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2023, 04:42:56 am »
How to increase number of turns for same value magnetic field strength 12 volt electromagnet of original 10amps DC + 7 turns and 13 turns, being changed to 6 amps DC worth of SAME magnetic field? (Simple proportions always come out for less turns.) It uses copper core of 7 turns connected to 13 turns 4mm rod steel core all on 10 amps. There is an electronics formula method that uses different constants for air, copper, steel, iron , and ferrite cores, that may not be needed. My guess calculation may be wrong. (I was thinking on 12 turns and 24 turns)

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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2023, 00:03:42 am »
Closing in on the replication of S1R9A9M9 engine conversion with water in carb. Magneto left at 10kv even though Nathren (S1R) increased high volts by tiny Tesla coil. Plastic tub with parts was on side of Briggs 18HP in 2008. This step up was to be able to get PLASMA PATH, that regular Magneto can't do. (And maybe a little RE) The 1978 car v8 conversion had HEI coil in top of distributor which had huge voltage capability for plasma path. I'm using separate circuit just for plasma path with isolation grounds, diodes protection, separate main PS source for 6 amps , diodes protection,  isolated grounds, and the regular ignition kept at low high volts. Ignition changed over to POSITIVE high volts.  Rebuilt triple wires S1r coils assembly, Zero ohms spark plug along with time constant from plasma path about 30 milliseconds as per 5 X R X C . Resister charge for cap,and  cap discharge through timing resistor. All this is seeking the water vapor pressure along with Hydrogen from spark plug electrolysis, at about -neg 34 degrees timing. I'm using dual cable 4 terminal Magnetron as from 2 cyl engine , on the one cyl. The neg volts goes to ground, while the positive goes to plug. (Verified with hi v diode as positive, AND - AND we get full secondary volts, contrary to the regular magnetron of AUTOTRANSFORMER TYPE. The dual type has no connection between prim and sec. The secondary fires both same time as + and - outputs! The low high volts allows for less diodes string that allows less PS voltage, that allows for less amps pull from battery input. When engine actually running, the PS is disconnected, alternator runs 6 amps, ignition keeps running along with separate plasma path board.