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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #48 on: March 04, 2024, 03:39:05 am »
Currently researching the S1R9A9M9 methods of adding additional higher voltage to the engine's lower voltage electrolysis spark plug end use. The extreme high resistance air gap at tips changes to electrical load of 22 ohms resistance or higher with conductive mineral waters as a tiny cell. The extra volts added then allows 6-7 amps to flow, rather than .1 amp,  creating sufficient Hydrogen and water vapor pressure to sustain all his previous engines converted with zero ohm spark plugs, and making use of "cross over leakage Inductance voltage" as superimposed and added in series with main DC power wire. We are assuming that's the way it was done, but there are 6 other methods to consider. This was Nathren's and his son Nathren's  and shop technician's invention during 2005-2012 Georgia. His wife's car 1978 V8 El Camino tooled around on 18MPG water before being locked up in security garage after 3000miles on water in gas tank. (EGR must be applied to smooth out engine running because of the Nitrogen compound being reused and piston compressed from the water.)  Later, when a substitute welded steel box replaced the car gas tank, some drippings from exhaust was reused and greatly increased MPG again. I won't say what was told about that, from the now shut down web forum. As for his last, Briggs mower engine conversion, there is sufficient room in the plastic tub hanging on the side of 18HP engine from YouTube videos , to hold a hand wound  step up autotransformer for => 100 volts to use, similar size,  and along with the S1R9A9M9 triple coils assembly. Got it?  Bench testing about 2013 by Daniel Donatelli -Issue,- "Explode salt water upon demand" pgs92-97, Document showed voltage applied to spark plug of mower engine of 100-240volts DC allowed the capacitor discharge to turn over engine with force, with electrolyte water in combustion chamber.  (Closing in on the relentless water engine - stage 5 of 6 stages.)
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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #49 on: March 12, 2024, 16:43:01 pm »
Speculation On Nathren's Grand Deception ! --  His Briggs Engine Did Run On Water during demonstrated two 2008 Youtube videos!  During research for my electrical conversion project to duplicate Nathren's electrical circuit, at stage 5 of 6, this current level has to do with what's called "waste spark". We need to protect our battery from the high voltage. That wasn't done during 2008, and him and his son were in danger of battery acid expulsion. The engine timing fires spark plug WITH conductive solution at plug tips. During waste spark firing, there is no fluid, only dry plug gap. This forms way higher voltage that can reflect back to battery. I was going to use power supply with diode bank for plug firing at protection level of 15KV. The Electromagnet was to be on all the time to ground, according to Nathren. EXACTLY AFTER the 2 videos came out, he answered questions truthfully.on the web forum and the comments section of Youtube videos for VERY SHORT PERIOD ONLY. Soon after, all answers were wrong, and his circuit comments would not operate any engine on water. Not only that, the rest of the needed parts were not told about that were in the plastic tub on side of the Briggs 18HP engine. Several non-knowledgeable people were hurt trying to duplicate system, so at that point,he got in trouble,  he gave no more truthful data, and made false answers, even to me. . This is what has impeded interested parties who were also wanting to get into the conversion.

He said the engine was purchased new for a demonstration. Close up pictures show dusty, worn paint, used engine. He then said mower engine came from a used riding mower. It was requested for the part number of engine, so as specifications would be known AND about the alternator. Specs were not given. He said that engine had no alternator.  It is well known that all riding lawn mowers have an alternator, and during the 2 earlier videos, the engine 10 amps current had to come from the alternator for the power used, after the battery was completely disconnected..That particular engine had "dual" 1/2 alternators, so that with bridge rectifier mounted, 10 amps could be realized. I have the same type used engine with same alternator..

The earlier 2005-2008 conversions done on 4cyl, 6cyl, 8 cyl cars, and 4 cyl tractor engines all used the 400Watt inverter and dual coils relay per cylinder. The ONLY ground for system was through the spark plug to NEGATIVE ground. There was no separate electromagnet to separate ground on these previous engines.  With POSITIVE high volts to negative ground, the plugs would always fire. But never with positive ground , negative high volts., with same time other connections to ground causing plug BYPASS.  The ignitions were changed to positive high volts. On the Briggs engine, he said the electromagnet had to be on all the time to separate ground. With negative NORMAL  high volts, the single spark plug would never fire.The very EARLY comment said the power current wire was connected to high volts and spark plug top, so as 10 amps would flow through spark plug. The later stories and his other videos DID NOT HAVE THAT!  We now know that POWER current HAS TO FLOW THROUGH SPARK PLUG!, not as an induction mode type.as he later said. His later statements were to get people away from a working engine by keeping power current away from plug and through a separate resistance load to ground. The Nathren deception continued with the message board and videos messages section.

It is now believed that separate electromagnet is not necessary on Briggs engine, since all previous engines DID NOT HAVE ANY!  Previous engines conversions did not have the S1R9A9M9 triple coils assembly with electromagnet AT THAT TIME period! The necessary magnetic field of the coils is only when plug fires to ground!

There are 2 solutions to the waste spark problem. (1) No separate electromagnet used, with its problem of high voltage danger to battery. (2) Use of electronic circuit counter IC circuit for fire+ not fire, to eliminate point where plug is dry, and greatly increases voltage hazard. A Separate diodes bank to protect separate battery circuit loses 10.5 volts from 12 volts.  Just Integrating the  power supply output and battery output same time through same diode bank protection - still loses 10 volts from battery. Note- the strength of magnetic field from an electromagnet only has to do with number of wire turns, size of coil and the amps current involved. Nothing about voltage in main formula. - But the wattage is lost.

Therefore : -  Power supply of 6 amps flow and separate 4.5 amps electromagnet  flow from the battery is reduced down to just 6 amps forward flow through spark plug from power supply only! Nathren and his son, and 2 technicians in their shop  used 6-7 amps through all the cars engines spark plugs. 10 amps is not necessary as used on the mower engine of 2008.  You can still see the 2008 S1R9A9M9 Youtube videos of his engine running on hydrogen gas from spark plug electrolysis and water vapor pressure contributing to piston compression.
 

 

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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #50 on: March 14, 2024, 20:45:09 pm »
The electrical circuit for the water powered mower engine has several voltages involved that you have to be aware of.

(1) fully charged  battery voltage
(2) Inverter box secondary AC voltage
(3) AC voltage reducer box voltage output
(4) Full wave rectification DC block output power voltage
(5) Voltage drop loss adjustable power resistor
(6) Voltage drop loss 15KV series diode bank
(7) electrical load spark  plug conductive electrolysis cell voltage across
(8)Ground return line 1 ohm resistor voltage drop back to Inverter ground terminal
(9) In series "added" voltage from cross leakage induction volts from S1R triple coils assembly
(10) Briggs alternator ring output AC voltage
(11) Briggs alternator voltage regulator output DC charging voltage
(12) voltage drop loss from accessory in series spark gap with spark plug
(13) voltage drop loss from inductor 1.5-1.75 mh in power line

E/I=R,    E/R=I ,  I X R =E  Voltage drops in series add up to supply volts.

An electrical meter as multiple neon bulbs ,or digital readout voltmeter will only register the highest voltage at top of the spark plug. What's there, is about 35vDC, 100v added DC, and variable high ignition volts DC. What is also needed, is to measure separately and KNOW the crossover leakage volts that ALLOWS the spark plug cell to make sufficient hydrogen gas.  This voltage is adjustable by using the common spark tester with screw that adjusts ,as used by auto mechanics This is the accessory spark gap.and is in line with the 2nd inductor, and spark plug to ground. ( With the plug gap covered in conductive electrolyte such as baking soda water, salt, the plug gap greatly reduces the high voltage. The 1st spark gap can regulate the final gap, and also the needed induction crossover volts that pushes faster hydrogen gas.The S1R9A9M9 coils has the 2 red wire ends that receive the induced voltage. The GAP adjustment is done to get this induced voltage sufficiently high. Remember, the diodes bank must cover the highest volts ,so as no return damage to inverter or battery. The Briggs engine is called a 4 cycle and has what's called WASTE SPARK. During that spark period time of flywheel rotation, of no moisture plug gap,and  is an open air gap, the ignition voltage jumps up way higher. Now you see this is a more involved design for a bench set up. Temporarily, I use a small old style Harley motorcycle ignition coil can with push/release  points switch and condenser for immediate testing with high voltage.

On the old cars with high mileage, after dark, you lift the hood and see sparking going on with the ignition wires. They are worn out from overheating and needed replacing. The engine was running uneven because of crossover induction. The 1978Waterfuel web forum, that's now shut down, had page reference to car ignition thick insulation cable wire wrapped with 60 turns insulated hook up wire for purposely getting crossover leakage volts!
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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #51 on: March 28, 2024, 00:53:38 am »
More data for those who may be following this S1R9A9M9 project.-
I just mounted a small Briggs engine to test compression "USES". Tests done way earlier by another researcher (on Internet), found out that a capacitor charged to 200v and 500uf and fired into salt water at spark plug would move lawnmower engine piston one revolution. The high volts didn't seem to matter to him, though. Notes gathered from the S1R website indicated that a crossover leakage inductance voltage , possibly capacitance effect, did transfer => 90 volts, as indicated by glowing neon bub. Other parts were indicated as used in the 2 SUCCESSFUL 2008 Youtube videos, but not told. I assumed it was diodes and an accessory spark gap. NOW I see a good reason for it. Spark gaps in air are as 3Kv /mm gap. 2mm plug in air is about 6Kv. Under engine compression that would be about 6 X 5 as ratio of a Briggs engine compression is 5.8 :1. Now, if an in line series gap is ADDED , the spark plug stays at the same voltage. (Plugs only fire at the least volts needed) The sum of 2 gap voltages equals the beginning ignition coil output.  If the total is INCREASED, then the crossover volts (of the S1R coils assembly) increases past 90volts, so as being in series with the amps current line through the spark plug also. 100-200volts can be realized with the low volts included. Nathren and other 2 shop technicians had said several times, about 100v and 6-10 amps is needed for the electrical circuit for creating sufficient hydrogen gas fuel from spark plug electrolysis. Salt water cell at plug TIPS is about 22 ohms resistance - not zero ohms, and requires higher volts than 12-18vDC to push 6 amps through the tiny electrodes. E / I = R,  I needed X R cell = required voltage.   E total high volts = E1 plus E2 spark gaps.

 Other statements regarding the earlier car engine water conversions in Georgia had told of a special test done with 60 TURNS insulated wire over a spark plug wire and getting crossover volts. This technique may have been used on all those car engines, along with EGR. (They had also talked about  interference reactance ohms from crossover leakage as a connected circuit of 12v and 20 amps, through amp gauge being reduced to 12 amps flow through load resistor when plug was fired.)! What do you think now? (Closing in on The 2008 Georgia Briggs 18HP engine that ran on water.)

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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #52 on: March 31, 2024, 04:53:37 am »
Since the spark plug electrolyte cell requires over 100 volts added on / superimposed in series to the low volts power supply to get the 6-7 amps through spark plug of about 22 ohms CELL, there is another method to do this without relying on the leakage voltage transfer from the S1R9A9M9 triple wires electromagnet assembly section. A purchased miniature power supply module as DC to DC converter, high frequency, 150W, with fast rectification, can be used with power resistor ON THE INPUT BATTERY side to limit the power/ current way down, and get mostly the higher voltage needed ON THE OUTPUT SIDE. It's called isolated- "150W dc12v to AC220v power inverter module. The small board HAS built in optional use, full wave rectification output .The selection jumper also allows for 110/220v . This is the upgraded, now better unit on Ebay. The regular box Inverter to DC  use higher wattage power supply will send the amps + wattage, while the small P.S. board supplies the superimposed higher DC volts required to push the 6-7 amps through the ohms resistance of spark plug electrolysis electrolyte at those plug TIPS. Since the small board is basically an Inverter with no connection between primary side and secondary, it's called ISOLATED as per the grounds connection. The main unit P.S. would be also like that. (Resistor cannot be on secondary side, as it would also limit the main other previously adjusted P.S. The LOAD cell is the resistance for BOTH.) Again, there is also what's called waste spark, which during that time of flywheel rotation, the intake valve of Briggs engine is closed and no significant water at plug.
 (Your flashlight has multiple DC volts batteries in series to raise up voltage for the bulb.)

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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #53 on: April 02, 2024, 09:04:18 am »
More data for those who may be following this S1R9A9M9 project.-
I just mounted a small Briggs engine to test compression "USES". Tests done way earlier by another researcher (on Internet), found out that a capacitor charged to 200v and 500uf and fired into salt water at spark plug would move lawnmower engine piston one revolution. The high volts didn't seem to matter to him, though. Notes gathered from the S1R website indicated that a crossover leakage inductance voltage , possibly capacitance effect, did transfer => 90 volts, as indicated by glowing neon bub. Other parts were indicated as used in the 2 SUCCESSFUL 2008 Youtube videos, but not told. I assumed it was diodes and an accessory spark gap. NOW I see a good reason for it. Spark gaps in air are as 3Kv /mm gap. 2mm plug in air is about 6Kv. Under engine compression that would be about 6 X 5 as ratio of a Briggs engine compression is 5.8 :1. Now, if an in line series gap is ADDED , the spark plug stays at the same voltage. (Plugs only fire at the least volts needed) The sum of 2 gap voltages equals the beginning ignition coil output.  If the total is INCREASED, then the crossover volts (of the S1R coils assembly) increases past 90volts, so as being in series with the amps current line through the spark plug also. 100-200volts can be realized with the low volts included. Nathren and other 2 shop technicians had said several times, about 100v and 6-10 amps is needed for the electrical circuit for creating sufficient hydrogen gas fuel from spark plug electrolysis. Salt water cell at plug TIPS is about 22 ohms resistance - not zero ohms, and requires higher volts than 12-18vDC to push 6 amps through the tiny electrodes. E / I = R,  I needed X R cell = required voltage.   E total high volts = E1 plus E2 spark gaps.

 Other statements regarding the earlier car engine water conversions in Georgia had told of a special test done with 60 TURNS insulated wire over a spark plug wire and getting crossover volts. This technique may have been used on all those car engines, along with EGR. (They had also talked about  interference reactance ohms from crossover leakage as a connected circuit of 12v and 20 amps, through amp gauge being reduced to 12 amps flow through load resistor when plug was fired.)! What do you think now? (Closing in on The 2008 Georgia Briggs 18HP engine that ran on water.)

You used salt water? Thats corrosive, is it?
I am impressed that you got the engine moving!!!
Keep on doing the good work!

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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #54 on: April 03, 2024, 05:51:49 am »
You are not reading messages properly. The paragraph said that ANOTHER  researcher with published tech data on the Internet was able to revolve a mower engine one revolution, in the past, using salt water at spark plug, using capacitor discharge. Nathren from Georgia, and the 2 technicians used only DC current with a boost voltage = > 100volts to push 6-10 DC amps through the spark plug, to run mower engine at idle speed, and be self running from the magnets powered alternator. (no battery)  A year later, after the 2 successful YouTube videos, Nathren had to partly rebuild his mower engine block that was rusted with stuck valves. (salty water) - Baking soda would have been better as electrolyte.

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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #55 on: April 03, 2024, 08:55:53 am »
Thanks for the correction  :)