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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2024, 09:13:36 am »
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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2024, 09:36:54 am »
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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2024, 02:32:20 am »
Multiple "lower volts" neon bulbs voltmeter, <1000v,  can be used for testing the cross leakage induction volts, that's transferred from S1R9A9M9 coils assembly, and in series with "power low volts" line going to spark plug. This was to add minimum 100 volts to the power supply, so that proper gases evolution is allowed for electrolysis and Hydrogen gases formed at those tiny electrodes. The other photo is my current version of S1R9A9M9 triple coils assembly that provides several functions at the same time, as per the original one made by Nathren in Georgia from 2008. The 3rd photo IS this original, unusual, hand wound electromagnet - triple wires assembly. Steel core under 13 turns #14 as special wind, and 7 turns 90 degrees special wind #14 on 5 turns #12 plus 1 line, bare copper wire with no core. (See tap joint point with frayed wire ends, on coils , where wire connection was done to ground with resistor, so as electromagnet is always on, creating magnetic field that travels to spark plug tips.) The engine timing is adjustable during starter use, by adjusting the center core of inductance- one of my improvements. The two Youtube S1R9A9M9 videos of Briggs 18HP engine running - idling- on mineral water in carb, from 2008, is available for viewing and storing on computer.

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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2024, 02:41:12 am »
A quick bench test was done to test the old document regarding the S1R triple coils assembly. A neon bulb NE-2 was placed across the 2 end insulated wires to test for 100 volts coming from leakage induction from the bare copper wire under the S1R coils. The bulb did light up when the ignition was fired to spark plug. I had read way earlier that others had grasped the 2 wires and had gotten shocked.


 The old documents also said that about 100 volts and 6-7 amps WAS REQUIRED- through the spark plug for the mineral water conversion of an engine. The other document was called the "60 turns coil test".  60 turns insulated wire over plug cables used to assist the 6-7 amps to spark plugs. Not tested as yet. A bench test could be done without an engine first. 2 spark plugs bench mounted as 1st to fire with ignition only. This gets the required magnetic field for the Briggs mower engine timing change and the cylinder process. The 2nd plug gets the amps , the low voltage, and the needed minimum 100 volts. There are 8 methods to do this, but the one done in 2008 was not exact talked about. The plastic tub mounted on the side of the Briggs engine of the 2 Youtube videos, was to hold the majority of added parts. To get 15 amps or higher output, a bridge rectifier would have to be used with the alternator. That type of rectification is not pulsing DC as with one diode. Pulsing DC can run a hand wound step up voltage autotransformer.  Magnet wire wound on outside of the Magnetron could also generate the 100v as another secondary winding with diode. AN inductor 1.75 Millihenry was included and may have provided a back EMF of over 100v. This would be SUPERIMPOSED over the low 12-35volts DC. The same ground is used. The spark plug small electrodes IS THE WATER electrolysis cell. Untested as yet for bubbling action gases evolved.  Water vapor pressure also contributed to piston compression.

 For example, flashlight battery 1.5v turns on light of 1.5v bulb.  When 2nd battery 1.5v is added in series, the bulb is twice as bright because of the 3 volts total. Therefore, if the engine conversion power supply 12-36v DC is in series with the safety diode + insulated wires turns from the triple S1R9A9M9 coils, the total voltage to spark plug is approximately greater or equal to 140 volts DC.  DC is required to make hydrogen fuel from water. The tiny plug tips in combustion chamber need way higher voltage to get FASTER Hydrogen gas generated. The salt water droplets from eye dropper added to plug tips on bench test, forms ohms resistance electrical load electrolysis cell that reduces the first preset 6 amps on current gauge, down to .1amp. Therefore, much higher voltage is required to get the same 6-7 amps ,-----------JUST AS THEY SAID MANY TIMES IN THE WEB FORUM!!

Many years back, there were 2 other people confirming their wiring conversion DID operate their engine on water in carburetor at idle speed. The running engines on mineral water in carburetors was the successful 3 Georgia technicians' shop work done 2005-2012, and written up in the now closed web forum.

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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2024, 02:45:06 am »
 I finally got around to test the spark plug that was used in Nathren's Briggs mower water engine demonstration from YouTube 2008. The 18 HP normally used a long reach 4000 ohm plug. I proved it was possible to send 10 amps through the replacement that was used back then. The electromagnet to ground had about 4.5 amps draw 100% duty cycle, while the spark plug firing of 0 degrees to neg late timing 34 degrees was about 34% on time of 10 amps draw. The engine was self running as after the battery was disconnected, the 12 MAGNETS powered alternator provided about 15 amps with bridge rectifier added at idle speed.
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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2024, 07:04:36 am »
well done! Good stuff.

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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2024, 21:32:05 pm »
 The "Smack" You tube  video reference mentioned was about him draining out fluid from the Briggs engine, way after 2008. There was antifreeze mixed with oil + small amount of gasoline. Nathren did add all that ahead of time when the Federal agents were coming to his property to investigate free energy claims. He didn't want to deal with them and get in trouble with national claims on You tube. They smelled the gas, and then were satisfied and left. The engine was then, left in his garage as is, until Smack showed up. To travel 1000 miles, he made too many mistakes while he was there with the engine, that I noticed. - Not a qualified engine man or investigator.
 
There were, many years back, written statements I found as to 2 other people who had duplicated the S1R engine conversion, and their engines had idled on water in the carburetor. - (Hydrogen + water vapor pressure)  A wire inductor 1 millihenry was included in circuit. Another  statement I received back, did not give exacting details, but said,-- "YOU WILL BE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED" - which I took as another positive response!

The S1R9A9M9 triple wires coils assembly is an ELECTROMAGNET with extension coil . (Not transformer) The 13 turns coil with core, magnetic field is always on, 100% duty cycle, while the 7 turns coil (with no magnetic core), waits for the high voltage pulse to fire spark plug. The included other inductor is charged, it's following diode is ON, and then the high V. pulse hits the diode cathode shutting it off. The pulse reverts back ,and fires plug. The main 10 amps then goes through plug with ALSO the greater than 100 volts in addition to the battery volts. You see, the S1R coil also gives off cross leakage induction voltage that is in series with main power.  In a regular low efficiency electrolysis cell at low volts, it depends on large square inches of electrode area for amps allowed and amount of gases released. The spark plug tips are way smaller electrodes and require way higher voltage to get FASTER gases evolution. This is what the Georgia 3 technicians came up with during 2005-2012..
There are 7 methods to get higher volts to ADD to spark plug. Many parts were in the plastic tub hanging on side of Briggs engine. A small autotransformer same size as S1r coils would also fit in the tub. The web forum mentioned car engines paragraph about 60 turns over spark plug cables for induction into the amps line.The original sealed relay physical size, with 2 coils and diode that was used on all car engines,also fits in the tub. It is now assumed that the S1r coils formed the required magnetic field for spark plug and also at the same time provided the needed 100 volts. The 100 volts was mentioned many times in the web forum. They said the  cylinder "process" carries over to the next revolution of piston. The mineral water is conductive and is sustained.

.If you watch S1R9A9M9  video 1 again at low speed , you can see the 3 wires from engine top going down into plastic tub to the other parts. The white #12 gauge wire at bottom of tub takes the High V, the low V, and 100v , and 10 amps to spark plug. (Inside the tub, the amps wire is connected to the High V wire) -- Nathren said so. The ground connection for ELECTROMAGNET comes from the added extension cord connected to ground exactly at plug, and the other end of the " V" to the plastic tub. The cord male plug end is breached together. The starter motor is used for starting engine. Then battery is completly removed. Alternator is running on 12 magnets and provides about 14.5 amps total current requiring bridge rectifier, divided into 10A + 4.5Amp.

 There were no safety factors installed on the 2008 circuit and the 2 operators were in danger of battery acid expulsion. JUST after the videos came out, several others got hurt trying to duplicate system . That's when Nathren and his son also Nathren ,changed the drawings and writeups so as circuit would not work. The following Youtube video of back porch same engine attempt failed on purpose as not being connected properly. His other video had to do with taking apart the S1R coils on bench, instead of showing how to put one together. HE EVEN REMOVED THE STUB WIRE IN JOINT SO AS WE COULD NOT SEE IT AS A CONNECTION TO GROUND, AND RETAPED UP JOINT AS ONLY 2 WIRES INSTEAD OF 3. The last video was engine tare down to repair and clear up the STUCK VALVES. Smack never tested the Briggs 18HP engine in the first place, to see if it would even run on gasoline!!!!!!!!!!  HE NEVER TESTED IT, ------THERE WAS NO COMPRESSION!!!  Of course the engine at that exact time could not run on water!  (Right after the earlier two 2008 demonstrations of water running the engine, it was immediately put in garage to rust up- it was not cleaned. )

Hydrogen fires extremely fast and requires late negative timing ATDC. The Electromagnet magnetic field formed, OVER PLUG WIRE BARE COPPER produces a continuous spark from 0 degrees to minus 34 degrees before shutting off . It was just easier for the 3 technicians to make a wire coil than do machining for aluminum curved bracket with curved slot for relocating BRIGGS ignition Magnetron for manual adjustment of timing , like on the old engines of movable distributors.  You got it now?
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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #47 on: March 01, 2024, 18:14:49 pm »
In the past, there has been controversy regarding whether or not the photograph of S1R triple coils assembly from 2008 was hokey- fake, because of the highly unusual winding of the wires. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN ANOTHER DIFFERENT ONE THAT WAS REALLY USED FOR THE FAMOUS 2 YOUTUBE VIDEOS OF 2008. Please refer to the photo of earlier messages.  I had made many versions of it over a considerable amount of time. Recently I looked at this in a different light. There are 3 reasons I believe that one SHOWN was the original , and was actually used during the two 2008 successful demonstrations of Briggs 18HP mower engine that ran on mineral water in carburetor.

Get this -- (1) First we were told that the coils had electromagnet that was on all the time. That means a wire had to hook to ground for completed circuit. There was an external extension cord that connected to ground, if the male plug was bridged together. The photo of coils actually shows a wire cut off with frayed ends. SEE The PHOTO FOR THE JOINT, it has 3 wires together with black electrical tape. The unit was removed from plastic tub on side of engine and taken into house for photo to put on Nathren's web forum. Nathren later said he was going to show another video of coils winding method, but showed one of take apart only. The unit placed on the table was the exact same one verified. He had previously removed the THIRD STUB WIRE and retaped up the joint, so as during the take apart video, no one would see the 3rd wire.  You can see the difference. He did not want people to know about the electromagnet connection to ground.

(2nd)  There were multiple statements regarding an extra 100 volts was necessary going to spark plug along with the 12v battery + 12 magnets powered alternator lower voltages. The bare wire under the insulated wire can cause cross leakage induction of 100 volts - not 6000 volts, due to the GREATLY LOWERED ignition volts from the self powered Magnetron. (The plug IS conductive across the tips)

(3rd)  - The end use was not spark plug firing in the air, or under compression with open electrodes of plug. Engine was running on conductive mineral water covering the spark plug tips in combustion chamber. The high volts fired from the Magnetron passes through the triple coils assembly using BARE COPPER #12 gauge wire. The outer wrappings were #14 gauge insulated wire. Normally, high volts from bare wire would jump- cross fire into the TAP JOINT and travel to the side ground , and bypass, not fire spark plug.  But now Magnetron sees about 20 ohms of low resistance of conductive mineral water! This greatly lowers the high volts. The lowered voltage now travels through spark plug . The other power wire now WITH THE ADDITIVE 100V IN SERIES, then fires 10 amps through spark plug forming Hydrogen gas electrolysis fuel and fires it. Also water vapor pressure is  generated that aids the piston pressure of engine. All this happens in an instant of time. I now believe the ORIGINAL SHOWN S1R coils was viable, and no other coils assembly was used.
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