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My water engine project is on going. I'm duplicating  the 2008 mower engine conversion set up of Nathren,  Georgia) as S1R9A9M9. Maximum 20-24kv DC, maximum 6 amps DC through spark plug, and diodes protection for power supply and battery. Timing has to be after TDC. I'm using 12hp Briggs  riding mower engine that has ring dual alternator . Capacitor discharge ignition type, is in microsecond output range,  while induction type ignition coil is in milliseconds. The S1R9A9M9 coil assy provides magnetic field that stretches the spark time, so as more compatible with conversion of water to water vapor pressure. 18HP Briggs engine is on You tube from 2008 + sounds like a water pump. I studied his set up with series inductor coils in Hi Voltage  line,  and web site,  so as can answer a few of your questions.
 From Russ ..New York.
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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2018, 10:16:23 am »
There was a guy who visit Nathen and got the original engine in hands. Together with Nathen they tried to re start it again.
It did not work.
The question is why......
Is making a youtube movie of a fake water using engine so funny?
Or did Nathen really not wanna share?


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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2018, 10:20:50 am »
after all these years of collecting info and doing tests, my best gues would be that you keep a dc current on the sparkplug in such a way that it creates a bit of hho in a constant way, probably similar to the Meyer sparkplug injector.
Then add on top of the dc the normal ignition voltage for the bang spark....
Then you have that plasma spark amd a bit of hho that would create a reaction with the waterdrops..

a thermo explosion reaction.
Run you engine first hot on petrol before you do the watertesting.....Believe me....it makes a diff.


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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2018, 07:40:57 am »
You Tube video #4 was regarding a retest of same 18HP Briggs using the S1R9A9M9 coil assy , water, and light bulb as circuit electrical  load ohms resistance. You have to back up a ways to understand what really happened. Nathren was owner of electricians service shop business , but a non technical person. He had  actual technicians that did most of work in his shop on the 1978 car conversion, v8 engine on stand conversion, and 18HP riding mower engine conversion to water vapor pressure. He had a write up on the circuit done and a legal format, so that it's dated as his work at that time. The website is only a question and answer message board, not a detailed method. He never wanted to reveal outright the total designs. For Video #4, only the originator would fully know all the wiring done and reasons why, to make it work.  Nathren had  hooked his transformer up from DC battery  through the primary side of transformer and through DC light bulb. This would never work for video #4. All techs know that only AC or Pulsing on + off DC will run a transformer. Also later on,  when his visitor "hot shot" mechanic  came to his address from 1000 miles away to check claims on Briggs engine, Nathren briefly agreed to show his mower engine but only to a point.  During that  next engine video, it was never tested to see if it would run at all on any fuel. No proof that there was any compression. The engine didn't run. The later video #5 engine tare down showed stuck valves, so as compression not viable. So much for visiting self claimed qualified mechanics . That later time Visitor was told about a resonance between one side of coil (primary) and 12vDC fan motor used as resistance load when hooked to battery and engine would run. Of course it didn't run then either in that video. In the  workshop, another means could have been used, if the real ORIGINAL MOTOR armature had two points of wire snipped on commutator at 180 degrees apart, the wave form of spinning motor on oscilloscope shows on + off DC when connected to ground.  This would run a transformer and have an inherent self resistance. 
Video #1 -2008-The plastic tub hanging on side of engine contained the S1R9A9M9 coils, and a double coils relay for Hi V line. Two wires enter at top - Hi V line from alternate higher voltage ignition coil set up , and Plus 12vDC line from battery on the ground. They are covered with spiral black electrical tape. White wire at bottom goes to spark plug. The extension cord wire attaches to tub, but only used in video #2 if induction was needed, and grounded. When started, battery disconnected, and engine runs on power from "dual" on board alternator DC 10 amps. (Inverter box not connected)
No, it was not funny to see a video #4 made with a non running engine, unless Nathren decided not to share data, and put end to this, and his  techs project by showing non running engine. He was also afraid of other people getting hurt from car battery explosions trying to recreate the circuit. He could of also hooked it up wrong because he did not at all know the proper way to run a transformer.
Video #1-2008 used direct connection of high voltage through circuit to battery terminals during starting of #18 HP engine . It worked, but dangerous.
 Video #2 -2008 used some  (type) of  induction method for primary because he (Nathren) said it ran both ways in both videos. His website on Yahoo- Groups- WaterFuel1978 was written up as circuit  ONLY by induction method. I'm inclined to believe his 18HP ran with direct connection in both videos #1 + #2 on You Tube video.  S1R9A9M9.  There  is a lot more data I discovered  during study of his particular project (sparking water)if one sends specific questions.

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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2018, 08:31:46 am »
it seems you did your homework well on that setup.
Do you have any idea when you might try it?

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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2023, 19:20:11 pm »
The S1R9A9M9 engine conversion to water in carburetor  may relay on Radiant Energy flowing down circuit to spark plug chamber. The earlier Patented ignition circuit that uses Radiant Energy release from modified CD ignition was from the 2nd. discharge of residual capacitor content into transformer primary that passes through capacitor diode that is connected to High Voltage output. The diode is open, then closed. When the accessory current passes .through, the Radiant energy from diode also goes out. Nathren's 2005-2012 conversion of V8 engine and the Briggs 18HP was different circuit, but may have had same influence to spark plug. The cars had dual coils relay, per cylinder with many diodes. The half wave DC charged the inductor with diode output. The CHARGE is released when plug fires but uses the coil energy INSTEAD of a capacitor type energy. The engines ran on water vapor pressure + fired Hydrogen gas from plug electrolysis. The coils inductance was necessary because of the desired on time in Milliseconds,  not Microseconds as with cap discharges. His car tooled around for about 3000 miles on 18 miles per gallon water, until locked up in security garage. The 3 technicians there in Georgia said the Relays sealed in vacuum  were worth their weight in gold. It seems they were just lucky to have it hooked up right. They did not know how they actually worked ! The AC traffic signal control pole relays were not used as normal click type method.The contacts and L + L coils passed HIGH VOLTAGE and also low voltage. The Briggs 18HP riding mower engine had to have an added  triple magnetic coils assembly since there was no easy way to change timing from preset TDC to -34 degrees late timing. The cars' distributor turned easily to change timing. There was data saying from the now shut down web site, that parts added to plastic tub on side of Briggs, was referenced to the Tesla Hairpin circuit that formed Radiant Energy. The high volts ignition fired accessory spark gap with capacitors , so that other side of caps produce Radiant Energy transferred to primary of S1R triple coils primary. The passing through high volts to plug carried this radiant Energy along with approx 10amps current. Briggs started with 12v battery, then completely disconnected. The engine ran on just the dual alternators output, since there were 12 MAGNETS under flywheel for free power , as long as the crankshaft was turning. Nathren neglected to say it was self running. The Yellow + Yellow wires or Black + Black wires Briggs ring alternators can produce 14 amps and higher with bridge rectification. One diode would allow just about 10 amps half wave DC current. The original relays are discontinued and no longer available to purchase. Diagram of same is on Internet with (2) 1.5 Millihenry inductors with centered in series diode.. The technicians back then hand made 2 relays to simulate the originals, but failed. The built relay circuits were in open air, not vacuum. The vacuum holds in the white Radiant Energy generated on the enclosed diode output as 90 degrees perpendicular to wire concentrated, so as can follow further down the circuit. The Necessary Magnetic field over Briggs plug wire carries down to spark plug electrodes, as does with auto engine. They called it "Electromagnet". After about a year tinkering, they finally found out how to make engine run smoother , by the type engine used as having An EGR system mounted.The Nitrogen content of expelled moisture is reused as from compression of air into water which is 78% Nitrogen.   See again the 2008 S1R9A9M9 (2) You Tube videos of mower engine running on water that sounds like a water pump!

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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2023, 03:03:07 am »
On the NON affirming / opposition side,- upon deep review of original circuit drawing, for their auto conversion, the center diode between the inductors is only rated 600v, with ignition minimum 10kv against it, and diode facing the wrong direction. The low voltage facing was positive, while the ignition was negative as also called positive ground. Also, an inductor does not HOLD a charge like a capacitor does, as normally used with the expelling Radiant Energy as from diode releasing capacitor energy the same time. It seems now, that the original circuit was contributing just low voltage 7A DC current, -34 degrees timing, high voltage DC , and required magnetic field for the 8 spark plugs of the 1978 Chevy V8. If there was no Radiant Energy produced within the vacuum of the so called "Magic Relays", this may be just minerals water spark plug electrolysis for Hydrogen, with associated formed water vapor pressure addition, and the inductors magnetic field that all operated the engine with alternator recharging the 2 batteries on car. Was there a conspiracy there in 2005-2012 Georgia back then, with the main schematic shown on Internet being modified, so as duplication would be harder to do? I can see the relay inductors being used for the extension of spark TIME, and contributing the magnetic field for end use, but why not also add Neodymium ring magnets to the plugs? The N or S magnetism would carry down to the tiny tips in combustion chamber. Maybe the magic was just that.

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Re: S1R9A9M9 18HP Briggs riding mower engine ran on water( 2008)
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2023, 17:46:16 pm »
On the other hand, the regular type ignition coils are what's called autotransformer. That means there are 3 terminals-, not 4. In general, the common autotransformer type has one end of primary hooked to one end of secondary. The engines normally have positive ground, meaning the POSITIVE high voltage jumps upward from ground to center spark plug electrode. The ratio of internal wire turns is set up that way. If input + and - terminals are switched around, the output would be positive high voltage at top of plug, but at a greatly reduced voltage . Therefore, it is possible, on the High Energy Ignition coil for the 1978 Chevy V8 engine with coil mounted in top of distributor cap, to be switched over to be able to get high voltage positive. The HEI (4 ) terminals are plus 12v positive, timing , safety spikes ground, and output center terminal facing the rotor. Nathren's web tech forum did not tell people everything. Some of the work by the 2 technicians in the Georgia shop was not told to Nathren. He may not have known of this ignition change that was done, based on the original schematic THAT SHOWS only positive and positive being used on engine. He didn't even know what spark plugs or modified ones were mounted on the ElCamino car based on the ohms resistance. There seems to be more to this old story from 2005-2012. The Inverter box on car was insulated from ground and the alternator charged both batteries.. After extensive driving period at 18MPG water only, he removed old El Camino gas tank and replaced it with welded steel box with exhaust drippings saved. The vent allowed some hot vapor release. This allowed the Nitrogen embedded content water to be reused at HIGHER efficiency, allowing less frequent water fillings, and the last statement was then ,about 300MPG. The wife ordered her car locked up in a security garage. The electrical circuit was based on using a 110v AC output Inverter, - changed to half wave pulsing about 45vDC, special design switching obsolete relays per cylinder, and exterior mounting of about 10 diodes of 600v each. Internal diode was between the 2 inductor coils. When the technicians left the shop due to harassment, Nathren then decided to build a substitute for all that, and converted a lawn mower engine to water which was successful and can still be seen on Youtube videos,- S1R9A9M9 videos 1+2.