i´m starting to think that temperature may be one big factor in hydrogen gas on demand production... after all electrolysis is an endothermic process and so adding heat to it lower the needed energy to achieve separation ..
maybe if its possible to generate the hydrogen and oxygen separetely in a vessel at high temperature and pressure to not allow to boil... than the energy of the pressurized gas can run turbines that convert the pressure and temperature to electricity that is feedback into the system...
there is a lot of energy available here to catch because it only limited to the pressure you can achieve and flow of gas.. it would allow generation of high amount of hydrogen at cheap cost as its regenerating its own electricity from the pressure..
we know that temperature is pure vibration and the higher is the vibration amplitude more far away and close together the base components of matter get... everything hot emits infrared... mirrored surfaces form a cavity ... however water have some different frequencies happening at the same time,
les say we want to produce 1,1kg of hydrogen per hour and that you consume 100w per mole of hydrogen... around 500 moles to get 1kg so you need around 55kw of consume per hour...
if you take this 1,1kg from around 10 liters of water you have 10kg of mass that is going to be turned into gas expansion plus of course the evaporated water from the heat so lets say in one hour we also evaporate another 10 liters of water....
so you have a mass of 20kg to flow in one hour at the pressure you allow it to get
here is where it gets interesting because is a matter of charging the system up and when it reach the required pressure it will be able to generate its own power or perhaps part of it or maybe even more... depends only on the pressure you allow it to get...
stan has a patent on it called the hydrogen electrical generator or something like..
so here he is not worried about efficiency so much only about making lot of gas with small electrodes and use the product as source of energy
how much power you can generate with 20kg for example...
E=m*g*h so if you would use gravity you could have 200joule for each meter of high
if we use speed it get interesting
E=m*v^2/2
so if the speed is very high (pressurized gas coming out) the energy is high
so 20 kg times a speed of say 100m/s is 100kJ that is equivalent to 27w in one hour but if you increase this speed say 1000m/s you have now 2,777 kw of power... it increase with the square of the velocity of the gas... so you can simply add more mass or more pressure to increase the power... increasing to 5000m/s you overcome the 55kw and theres 15kw spare and we could go further as it only depends on the turbine configuration..
this is kind of rocket science but a turbine would work perfectly to get this energy efficiently converted
water expand 1800 times when converted to vapor... and some more when converted to hydrogen and oxygen but the vapor contract when get cold to reform water and hydrogen cant do this nor oxygen...
if we wereto compare this system with a electrical system... how could we use it to develop energy?
normally pressure is associated with voltage and current to a flow
the mass of the electrons flow is the kinetic energy and the resistance the drag
so if we could add more electrons for the same pressure we would be creating power... is not so simple as it flows it will create a voltage drop and if the circuit is not electrostatic it will create a reaction at the input that will consume power..
we saw in the example that the energy increase with square of the pressure... the thing is how can we speed up this electrons so they can emit more magnetic field than it received?
in a system of pressure you would reduce the holes to get the gas to be ejected at higher speed.. it increase the pressure further however
this would be the equivalent of a transformer as you put more wire it will increase the voltage but reduce the current proportionally...
when we apply the voltage to determined material the speed of the electrons will depend on the amount of free electrons to flow and the crossection of the material.
the greater the resistance the higher is the speed of the electrons so the higher is the dissipation of heat as the energy of the electrons increase with voltage squared.. thats because the electrons keep colliding with atoms and giving off the kinetic energy to heat..
when electrons move at a changing speed however they create an inductive coupling field
at willian barbat patent he describe that he could amplify energy by using low mass electrons to be accelerated to higher speeds and amplify energy in his aparatus...
he basically say that the inductive force (emf) will make the lower mass electrons have a greater acceleration as they have the same charge but lower mass and so will make a greater induction power to exert on other coils in the system ...
also in that patent he says that magnetic field does not consume power as it is perpendicular with the direction of the force..
