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I have watched this guy many times many years ago

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this is a very interesting guy

there is one video where he charge a piece of plastic than touch the plastic with a metal and discharge the metal and say it can be done indefinitely without discharging the plastic

to actually have something to discharge he first touch the metal in contact with the plastic such as electrons can flow into the metal from his hand by attraction of the dielectric... and when he moves away the metal from the dielectric the electrons get a higher potential and are able to discharge...

i was thinking if there could be a way to work like that with the wfcs
 

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vibrators relay was used to generate ac

its a short circuit

it seems to me the capacitor make the relay stay open...

we could use a series inducto to change the freq too

and if the load is not connected like that it wont affect the freq... meaning thru another dc source...

a relay depending on its construction can be used to generate extreme high voltages because it can interrupt the current and stay alive

i think the best way to use is with normal connected and apply a short pulse to the coil to make it open very fast.. thats all thats required..

i was imagining a pendulum relay like a mass on the top of a spring and push back and forth forcing the contacts on two points right bellow the spring such as to form an oscillator..  the mass and spring wold give an specific frequency and it would help maintain the contacts for a specific time... well interesting idea.. is like a movable spark gap after all

under vacuum would be the best for operation

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yesterday i was working at the excel tables and graphs to try to determine the relation between the water leakage and water resistance...

i found that for a specific fixed voltage the current will increase exponentially if the resistance goes down to zero

here is the thing the area of the electrodes will tell how low will this resistance will be and the less we produce the more efficient it will be

if the water reduce to a 1 miliohm resistor this mean that if we want 18 grams per hour of gas it would require 55 amps this would make 55milivolts so very high efficiency

if we were to have 1230 amps to flow it would have 1,23 v so the efficiency would have a top limit of 100% in this specific case .. .

for example you have a cell that has 1 ohm and you manage to force half amps current to pass thru it at 0,5 volts... to get 500 amps you need 1000 cells like this in parallel ... to reduce the resistance (assuming it were possible to pass the current at this low voltage,, 

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well guys

for me it seems like meyer was indeed resonating water until it reached a specific voltage and there he gated dumping all the energy in form of current into the water

i build a vibrator circuit that made some stepup waveform i want to share   http://tinyurl.com/ydy4clc2

at this graph you see the maximum leakage current to maintain 246% efficiency (0,5v) as function of cell resistance...

at 1ohm you have 0,5 amps
at 0,1ohm you have 5amps 
at 0,01ohm you have 50 amps
at 1mohm you have 500 amps

the graph makes clear that increasing the area will decrease the resistance and allow higher current at the same efficiency...

the resonance will consume power too so the area increase may also have a limitation since it will increase the power resonance require


from this would could conclude or say that a cell having one miliohm resistance will have 246% efficiency if operating at 500amps or 0,5v and could be much higher at lower voltage or current density..

this graphs shows the long way to reduce the cell resistance..

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Sebosfato   Hi well I have done all what you are talking about years ago, and at least you are thinking.

There is one problem with what you are saying and that is the rise time of a coil T  it take
5x T to get it to pass the full current of the circuit so as the frequency gets higher it is harder for the coil to do this.
 A coil with just a few turns may be in the pf range, to get a Resonant frequency anywhere the range that you are talking about.
Then there is the DC resistance of the coil, with just a few turns it will be real low, may be 0.00001  even 0.0001ohm will give you a massive circulating currents.
I have seen an was part of one such circuit that was made. 
1-1/2 turns of solid copper bar around 25 to 30mm by 5 to 10mm
And a massive bank of caps all were non polarized caps this was 415VAC it was to get lots of amps from the grid free! This was to get the power factor to zero or to slightly capacitive.
Thousands of amps in the circulating circuit, this was needed to test a particular type of new SCR switch.
So the cell would need to be in the pf range as well, look it was a long time ago.
So the result may be that you have a high frequency and a high voltage but little or no current unless you can get the balance right.
I have done this in another post and I did upload a circuit.     

 http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2119.msg32289.html#msg32289

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well guys

for me it seems like meyer was indeed resonating water until it reached a specific voltage and there he gated dumping all the energy in form of current into the water

i build a vibrator circuit that made some stepup waveform i want to share   http://tinyurl.com/ydy4clc2

at this graph you see the maximum leakage current to maintain 246% efficiency (0,5v) as function of cell resistance...

at 1ohm you have 0,5 amps
at 0,1ohm you have 5amps 
at 0,01ohm you have 50 amps
at 1mohm you have 500 amps

the graph makes clear that increasing the area will decrease the resistance and allow higher current at the same efficiency...

the resonance will consume power too so the area increase may also have a limitation since it will increase the power resonance require


from this would could conclude or say that a cell having one miliohm resistance will have 246% efficiency if operating at 500amps or 0,5v and could be much higher at lower voltage or current density..

this graphs shows the long way to reduce the cell resistance..

It sounds good to me.
Have you tested this with a wfc?

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Not yet at the water.. i´m doing some random tests yet to check the electrolyte behavior..

check this new simulation Steve

http://tinyurl.com/ycnac77q

with the simulator i was able to set the water resistance at different values and see how many watts average i was spending for each amp flow.. .

i found that this is a good indication to see if we are overunity or not.. basically to be overunity we need to have more rms amps output than average watts at the input..

the cell must be actually lower in resistance than the graph predicts since it will have other losses at the diodes and switch for example..

the diodes must have low voltage drop! or some other way to rectify should be used.. 

the cell voltage 1,23v gives us the base limit that it would need to expend 1,23watts per each amp flow so to keep it simple if you have more amps than watts you are overunity (all rms)

considering a diode and some 300mv overvoltage this gives like 1,8 watts per amps for a very efficient electrolysis cell