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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #224 on: December 19, 2018, 11:27:46 am »
It is possible to produce a non vectorial Scalar potential between two identical sine waves by running one of them through a battery.  For some applications 12 Volts isn't quite enough, so you can use two batteries in series.  This kind of energy can be unhealthy.

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« Reply #225 on: December 20, 2018, 13:54:46 pm »
what do you mean with unhealthy?

Recently i understood the reason why meyer had more than one coil on the transformers... the main idea is that one of the coils input energy thru a blocking diode into the circuit but during the pulse collapse at least a second coil would be necessary to take use of the core energy...

i found yesterday that perhaps there is a second capacitor in the circuit to lead to a dc double pulse...

basically the cell is charged thru the chokes like the usual stan diagram but first imagine a capacitor right after the diode... well this capacitor will sum with the charging current of the coil to duplicate the pulse.. but there is still energy in the core so is necessary to have a coil connected after the diode and before the capacitor to let it charge to a higher voltage during the pulse and such that the coil revert the pulse when collapse summing the capacitor and all coils in series to discharge on the water so there is a step up charging

when the chokes current is stable there is no voltage across it... it would need a increase in resistance on the cell to flip the voltage or be switched into a circuit with higher resistance to discharge

this tells that to manipulate a coil we need to charge it and switch it thru a capacitor to get it to flip its polarity

i think the capacitor capacitance must be bigger than the cell

the force in a capacitors is given as half of the product between the electric field and charge... so it does not really matter if you have 1 faraday at 1 volt or 1milifaraday at 1000v  assuming they have the same electric field...

so if we have a capacitor in our circuit and it is charged each cycle to a higher voltage and than discharged perhaps incompletely on our cell with the coils in series there will be a step up voltage of increased force applied to water

is like a vector inversion generator we charge two capacitors (the cell is charged with the coils with current and voltage) the other capacitor is charged externally by the same circuit and when the field collapse all are in series..

forgot to say that the coil in series with the diode before the capacitor may allow it to resonate..
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anyone tried this:?
« Reply #226 on: December 20, 2018, 16:21:49 pm »
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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #227 on: December 20, 2018, 20:26:51 pm »
nope. Your design is unique  :)

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« Reply #228 on: December 20, 2018, 21:21:40 pm »
Uniformity of the step charging pulses is a factor of the cell's time constant.  The charging capacitance must be smaller than that of the cell.  Otherwise, place a capacitor in parallel with the cell so one pulse produces only a small change in the cell's charge.

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Re: Retry N1001
« Reply #229 on: December 22, 2018, 22:39:27 pm »
Hey i just see it the other way... in my idea the cell must have a more violent approach with the pulses... i could be totally wrong by the way..

i was looking into the solubility of suitable electrolytes and i found that lithium nitrate can dissolve up to 234g in 100ml at 100C

i believe adding more electrolyte would make the bounds very week

i´m thinking about if we apply such high pulses if the electrolyte cant be also decomposed changing the ph of the final solution as  a prove of concept

in the case of nitrates i believe it would generate nitrogen and drive the ph of the solution up if the electrolyte can be broken too

i think we could use the ph as a eye of what is happening with the bath ... if it change than something is happening .. of course some reactions are reversible other not so time must be taken into account

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« Reply #230 on: December 25, 2018, 16:17:02 pm »
After so much thinking i was thinking about the resonance meyer talks about ...

i came up with a circuit where if the cell could reduce the voltage drop it could be easy to apply thousands of amps to it..

however how would the cell reduce this voltage..

the water cell is a good capacitor for ac of high frequency and i believe that the resonance has to do with this requirement

when the resistance of a coil resistor circuit is reduced to zero the time of discharge of the coil become infinite this is an indication that a coil can be used to create a steady current from short pulses because of its ability to reverse its polarity (aka) double its frequency to keep the current flowing in the same direction...

so i was thinking a lot and i came to the conclusion that when resonance is reached the dc resistance of the cell will drop and the current will start to increase..

i made a simulation with using a 1uf capacitoras input capacitor and 50v as input ac thru a full wave bridge rectifier... a very small inductor and very small load like in the miliohms range and it resulted in a kiloampere range currents...

the thing is that if the coil has not time to discharge it will simply keep increasing the current for every pulse it receive

the circuit kiss i imagine only a 1uf capacitor and very small coil in series with a full wave bridge rectifier having a high amperage diode from the negative to the positive side and means to short the full wave bridge sinchronized with the pulsing ... the idea is that once the current rises to a very big value it will have a path with less resistance than the extra diode that takes 0.4v  or more 

i think really meyer fooled us but he also told some true some time

to find the water resonance we must consider what is going to resonate

in new zealand meyer says that the water will have resonant frequency in the audio range

he  also said that it depends on the concentration of ions in it

in a patent he say is related to the movement  of the ions

he also claim is independent of voltage

so i took  the last two days to think about it and determine what would happen with this resonance

my idea is that when we find the resonant frequency of the ions the water cell will have a kind of ac behavior even if we apply just short pulses in one direction only this is what is going to reduce its resistance to the dc since the ions would move inside the water and this movement would require movement of current outside the water... as resonance is a phenomenon that energy is simply accumulated and is not consumed if no resistance is present if we get the resonant cavity to resonate it could generate electricity indeed..

but how do we find this resonance ?

 i  think we need to go for test circuits instead of vics etc...

see the behavior of water...

i think we should try applying 12v pulsed dc thru a 100kohm resistor and see the behavior of the cell in relation with the frequency

when we pulse a capacitor thru a full wave bridge rectifier and load it will be charged with the oposite voltage at the end of the pulse so every flip in polarity from the input source will result in a exponential decay voltage with double value from the input.. if there is inductance it will have a resonance frequency where the pulses at the output will look like stan with just the right half sinoid shape

honestly it appear to me that all that is required is to apply the than pulse to the water at the right frequency of the resonance and build the circuit to resonate at that specific frequency... simple as that...

to do it however is necessary to find the water resonant frequency.... or the ions movement resonance frequency ... this will create the short circuit we need

we could try to imagine

but i guess i already did something that was exactly the water resonance... i was using my single cell tube that is a little different from meyer cell in size ... smaller..

and i got it to resonate at 2,5khz once with lot of koh... it made a sound! but i was not measuring this and my circuit would not allow it to keep the current going because it was simply pulse on and off from the variac..

but i made this strange sound at this frequency and thats what i remember from it... i will try to find this resonance again but now monitoring the cell with the new tools i have like this digital oscilloscope and the isolated probe that will make easier to see the action..

meyer talk about current limited energy source

when we pulse a capacitor with frequency will increase the power applied... perhaps the idea of using a flyback system is to give a fair comparison of the applied voltage frequency to the output power .,..

in a flyback as the current increase linearly the power also is proportional only to the duty cycle not the frequency ... of course will change a little but will be more linear...

perhaps to find the resonance of water we need just a flyback arrangement applied to the water thru chokes and measure the dc current after the chokes... the chokes must have a diode connecting them right after the flyback to allow them to double the pulse

i predict this that the water will start to generate more gas and it will reduce the dc voltage across it at the same time since its becoming a short circuit to dc but at the same time it will become a great ac resitance or perhaps not too .. but its possible we are going to see some dumped ac oscilation at the pulses switching,.

thats why i think a capacitor could help giving a nice bang on water to make it visible...

once we have the frequency will be a piece of cake 

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« Reply #231 on: December 25, 2018, 16:50:41 pm »
another thing that cross my mind is the following

when we have a magnet molecules will align with it because of the spin

the electrons are believed to orbit a nucleus and so they have a spiral path possible around the nucleus

well tell me if im wrong but if we apply a changing magnetic field (put the water inside a coil and pulse it) wouldnt all the electrons in the system want to take a trip around their nucleus ? thinking microscopically?

looking it from the macro view it would not the ions also want to turn around driven by the voltage? so there are some things we are not considering.... but is nice to think too  ... specially allowing the coil collapse to high voltage!!!!!!