I'm going to post my final reply here, I was posting our work here so people could see a true replication of Stan Meyers work. Something you want see from anyone else. They will only be 3 of Stan's complete systems in the world when we get done, I will have one, Neal will have one and Quad City will have one if they still have it. What set's Neal and I aside from everyone else including Quad City, is I know how to make the gas, and I have shared that information with Neal. I am not here asking anyone to buy our boards or follow our footsteps, I was here to document and show our work. For most people this kind of project is to expensive for them, That's why people only build parts and pieces of it and expect it to work. I don't know you or anything about you outlawstc other than you drew a few boards and Max sold them. Whether they was right or wrong only matters to the people that bought them. If they had something wrong with them just remember your name was tied to them. Someone ought to make them right for the people that bought them. As far a Max Miller goes I have no use for him at all, and for good reasons. Max got enough money from Ed Chanson for what I was told to make a complete system for just about everyone, But instead he chose to go through it like candy and buy a couple O'Scopes with the money, Max got one, and I wonder who got the other one? 60,000.00+ per scope is a lot of money to pay for a scope. And didn't have not one of Stan's units made out of the money. If people gets tired going in circles and making things that keep doing the same thing, Look us up you know where to find us.