Stan Meyer WFC replication and PC Support

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Hi Everybody,

I’m new in this forum and I’m impressed about the amount of information I could find here. Let me express my gratitude for this first. Then here is my question/thought:

I’ve been studying the Stanley Meyer WFC, water fuelled car (dune buggy),… technology for quite a time now, I’ve read the technical Memo’s of Stan, checked out You tube for HHO experiments …

But what keeps puzzling me is that (as far as I am aware off) nobody really uses a PC to help out with the testing/finetuning of the Stan Meyer concept. If you take a look at for example the Dune buggy of Stan. It had a home build PC to steer the HHO gas production, the VIC’s, the injection system,… And this was in the 80’s early 90’s. Nowadays we have easy programmable PC’s to support us in such difficult tasks. Did anybody of you already tried to integrate the help of the PC into his experiments with HHO (for example the monitoring of gas production, keeping track of results while doing the tests, steering the VIC, steering the pulse frequency,…)? Or maybe you use the PC to process the formulas Meyer explained in his technical memo’s to support you for getting the VIC settings right?

I already bought me some equipment to build my first HHO resonant cavity. But before I start I want to capture all the formulas Meyer has mentioned in his technical memo’s into an excel, link them and try to calculate the best dimensions for the VIC coils. My next step would be then to monitor the Resonant cavity with the PC for results, performance, pulse frequency,…

I don’t know (yet) what the obstacles are to start testing with the help of a PC but maybe you could already share your thoughts on this.
Thank for getting back to me, I appreciate all your comments.

WaterFuel

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Hi Everybody,

I’m new in this forum and I’m impressed about the amount of information I could find here. Let me express my gratitude for this first. Then here is my question/thought:

I’ve been studying the Stanley Meyer WFC, water fuelled car (dune buggy),… technology for quite a time now, I’ve read the technical Memo’s of Stan, checked out You tube for HHO experiments …

But what keeps puzzling me is that (as far as I am aware off) nobody really uses a PC to help out with the testing/finetuning of the Stan Meyer concept. If you take a look at for example the Dune buggy of Stan. It had a home build PC to steer the HHO gas production, the VIC’s, the injection system,… And this was in the 80’s early 90’s. Nowadays we have easy programmable PC’s to support us in such difficult tasks. Did anybody of you already tried to integrate the help of the PC into his experiments with HHO (for example the monitoring of gas production, keeping track of results while doing the tests, steering the VIC, steering the pulse frequency,…)? Or maybe you use the PC to process the formulas Meyer explained in his technical memo’s to support you for getting the VIC settings right?

I already bought me some equipment to build my first HHO resonant cavity. But before I start I want to capture all the formulas Meyer has mentioned in his technical memo’s into an excel, link them and try to calculate the best dimensions for the VIC coils. My next step would be then to monitor the Resonant cavity with the PC for results, performance, pulse frequency,…

I don’t know (yet) what the obstacles are to start testing with the help of a PC but maybe you could already share your thoughts on this.
Thank for getting back to me, I appreciate all your comments.

WaterFuel

Hi waterfuel,

Welcome!

My suggestion is to start with a baseline experiment.
Build your testcel. Put dc on it, measure gasoutput, measure consumed power.
Everything else you try must be more efficient then your baseline results.....


Steve




 

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This is interesting. I'm also interested to know how most people experiment in here. The use of computers might greatly help in finding a more automated way of testing and eventually come up with a solution. Or am I looking at things way to basic?

Also, instead of building yet another cel and doing the same kind of experiments over and over, why not join forces? Would'nt that be more usefull?

Just my 2 cents.

Grave

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This is interesting. I'm also interested to know how most people experiment in here. The use of computers might greatly help in finding a more automated way of testing and eventually come up with a solution. Or am I looking at things way to basic?

Also, instead of building yet another cel and doing the same kind of experiments over and over, why not join forces? Would'nt that be more usefull?

Just my 2 cents.

Grave

I haven't gotten very far with this yet, but you may want to watch this subject.  I have a number of elements for this project already and will just need to find some time to put it together.

http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2494.0.html

TS

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Hi Timeshell,

Thanks for the post. I had the same in mind. Only you already took a head start 
I'm convinced that PC testing will rapidly give away the secrets of the VIC.

About your project setup; I would like to know more about it and assist where possible.
Gumstix technology is new for me but programming and setting up a testenvironment shouldn't be an issue.,

I took already a look at the gumstix website but don't know which module you would use/are using? More details would be greatly appreciated.

Just one remakr about the setup you had in mind, instead of silmulating/mimicking the VIC properties I would in a first step suggest to monitor the vics behaviour. This would already reveal a lott of its functionalities. What do you think?

Looking forward for your answer.

Waterfuel

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Hi Timeshell,

Thanks for the post. I had the same in mind. Only you already took a head start 
I'm convinced that PC testing will rapidly give away the secrets of the VIC.

About your project setup; I would like to know more about it and assist where possible.
Gumstix technology is new for me but programming and setting up a testenvironment shouldn't be an issue.,

I took already a look at the gumstix website but don't know which module you would use/are using? More details would be greatly appreciated.

Just one remakr about the setup you had in mind, instead of silmulating/mimicking the VIC properties I would in a first step suggest to monitor the vics behaviour. This would already reveal a lott of its functionalities. What do you think?

Looking forward for your answer.

Waterfuel

I'm actually more interested in duplicating the description by Meyers.  Since nobody has the original VIC operating exactly as Meyers did, there is not really any way to know for sure that a replica VIC is really working correctly anyway.  Incidentally, when we talk about the VIC in this context, I presume we are referring to the VIC PWM, not the VIC itself which is simply the coils, diode and water cell.

I will add details to the above subject including which gumstix and modules I use.  But essentially, Any of the Overo's can be used along with any module that has the 40 pin breakout (which has 4 PWM pins on it).

TS

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I fully agree that we should duplicate Stans approach in a very detailed way. As you are the one with more experience then me, let's follow your approach :-).So we concentrate on the "VIC PWM" first. (Let's refer it like this to prevent any further confusion). For this i need to get more acquainted with the Overo technology.

On the other hand (as far as I'm correctly informed) Stans concept is based on the interaction of the VIC PWM and the VIC itself with the coils,.... The dimensions and positioning of the Coils are also important in this testproject. When we connec the VIC PWM with the VIC we should use the formulas/values of Stan to have his intended dimensions. Only in this way I see a succes.

Thanks for adding your Overo info. Let's also (maybe you already did) about the practical side of the testproject setup.