TEAM WORK on Stanley Meyers Injector!!!

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That might be aluminum oxide... isn't?

Once you apply negative voltage to the aluminum, the protective oxide layer is rapidly destroyed forming Aluminum oxide and water... Is natural than that as it reoxidizes it will generate more hydrogen for a while after disconnecting it... no abnormality.

I dig many tests on that 3 years ago.. i used zinc, magnesium, iron, copper, aluminum... all corroded... So i studied about this passivation of the electrode to some extent...

What is getting me interested is this peak when you disconnect it...

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I seen no signs of abuse on the aluminum electrode... There is no oxygen going to the aluminum electrode only hydrogen! The oxygen goes to the positive SS electrode sebo... For this I think it can not be Aluminum Oxide...  I bet the Aluminum never gives way based on what I see, not even any pitting and I ran it pretty hard...

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I seen no signs of abuse on the aluminum electrode... There is no oxygen going to the aluminum electrode only hydrogen! The oxygen goes to the positive SS electrode sebo... For this I think it can not be Aluminum Oxide...  I bet the Aluminum never gives way based on what I see, not even any pitting and I ran it pretty hard...

Brian is exactly the hydrogen being generated at the aluminum electrode that is the problem... i mean at first when you connect the battery to the cell, the aluminum oxide barrier is reduced, is taken off by the hydrogen forming water and leaving the aluminum bare, active metal... so when you disconnect the battery the aluminum reoxidizes generating hydrogen...

some of the aluminum oxide is not able to become bare aluminum again so it simply drops down into the solution...

4 years ago i though this was the answer... until i notice those things...

This is like electro-cleaning degreasing..  of surfaces to clean and activate before electrochemical deposition...

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I think i found an explanation for the high voltage you read...

Lets put it in another way.. if you put an aluminum piece and a stainless steel metals in water you have an electrochemical device... a cell... there will be an equilibrium voltage... now if you think about it... the high voltage appears since the cell was already charged in your case with 19v and than when the source is disconnected all the aluminum surface will get oxidized in few nano seconds, this mean that an excess of negative charge will be generated at the cell... but as the cell is charged, it must sums...  all amps in small time... so a high voltage is developed but it drops because there is no electrostatic equilibrium and this excess charge ends up in water... so when all the aluminum is oxidized you should remain with the milivolts rated for aluminum emf... 

Remember the aluminum positive ions want to get into the solution what prevents it from doing so is the electrostatic equilibrium... the more negative is the electrode the higher the attraction between its constituent parts...


ideed really interesting... I was thinking about it this week to block faradaic current as it should be a polarized electrode... but was thinking about magnesium metal... also iron should do the same... but the emf of the mg is greater than both..

Did you tried to short the wires right after disconnecting them?

Great finding! Thank Brian

Regards

Ps

There is another fact that i found in a book of electrochemistry saying that electrolytic cells has a kind of a back emf associated... is not BEMF strict sense but an analogous effect... i believe its highly related!

sebosfato

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A Self Sustaining Unit Producing hydrogen with no power applied for over 1 hour with the power switched off!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6Kwoa_nDI&feature=youtu.be

Have a Peek.

I have also experienced this phenomena with my SS tubes.  In fact there is a video on my YouTube channel titled residual voltrolysis where I am showing it.

TS

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I think i found an explanation for the high voltage you read...

Lets put it in another way.. if you put an aluminum piece and a stainless steel metals in water you have an electrochemical device... a cell... there will be an equilibrium voltage... now if you think about it... the high voltage appears since the cell was already charged in your case with 19v and than when the source is disconnected all the aluminum surface will get oxidized in few nano seconds, this mean that an excess of negative charge will be generated at the cell... but as the cell is charged, it must sums...  all amps in small time... so a high voltage is developed but it drops because there is no electrostatic equilibrium and this excess charge ends up in water... so when all the aluminum is oxidized you should remain with the milivolts rated for aluminum emf... 

Remember the aluminum positive ions want to get into the solution what prevents it from doing so is the electrostatic equilibrium... the more negative is the electrode the higher the attraction between its constituent parts...


ideed really interesting... I was thinking about it this week to block faradaic current as it should be a polarized electrode... but was thinking about magnesium metal... also iron should do the same... but the emf of the mg is greater than both..

Did you tried to short the wires right after disconnecting them?

Great finding! Thank Brian

Regards

Ps

There is another fact that i found in a book of electrochemistry saying that electrolytic cells has a kind of a back emf associated... is not BEMF strict sense but an analogous effect... i believe its highly related!

sebosfato

Agreed. Was exactly my conclusion.

TS

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Dear Brian,

Mr. Daniel Dingle once showed an hydrogencell, which he used in his watercar, who created electricity.
This might be the same as what you did with the alu and ss electrodes.
He might have even used some kind of joulthief circuit to finetune things.
Please have a look...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_WJfFzBe28&list=PL5331C4BFB7903B1D&index=1&feature=plpp_video[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_WJfFzBe28&list=PL5331C4BFB7903B1D&index=1&feature=plpp_video

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I think is about the same process fast freddy was doing in his demo... He says that when the threshold current is achieved you can reduce it to a minimum... He called it fusion point... probably he believe that somehow the hydrogen become kind of permanently attached to the electrodes... don't know.

I believe he could be using what i called half wave resonant cell, do you remember that idea steve? after it absorb some energy, simply disconnect the battery... i'm going to try it soon..

In regard to a fuel cell operation, it develops only 1,1 volts per cell or so, its less under load... the hydrogen is then the source of the electrons in the case of a fuel cell. It become ionized by platinum and its electrons are free to flow thru the circuit, if the ion is at the triple phase reaction junction... Thats is where the ion meets the electrolyte, a conductive surface and the catalytic material...