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Re: function of VIC: rethinking signals...
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2012, 14:18:28 pm »
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Hey guys  8)

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The main point at Stans 3-23 was that he was using relatively small AWG 29 copper wire.
AWG 29 = no more than 0.5-2 amps... My primary AWG 22 heats up a lot from 2 amps so AWG 29 should pass even less...

"Stanley:  ....so voltage can take over and perform in dead short conditions...."  How can voltage can perform in dead short conditions - wich is what we get in water capacitor - almost dead short. Then how can voltage perform in dead short with no amps... should be dissipated immediately in other words overhelmed by the losses if you will.  Mystery to me.

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Hi,

" how can voltage perform in dead short with no amps"

If we charge the plates (electrostatic) then the electrons path in the water molecule would elongate.
If this path is wide enough then the covalent bonding of water molecule snaps and the atoms would regain free floating electrons to be stabilized.
This splitting or pulling apart is possible because the water molecule has low bonding forces.
Voltage can preform work it has split the water molecule with no current. Current is restricted, it can not flow, because the breakdown is prevented we are having high resistance in the chokes on resonance.

If this restricting is not possible, the current can flow and we couldn't elongate the electron path enough. They slip through our capacitor (flowing) to the other side and the process repeats.

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Re: function of VIC: rethinking signals...
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2012, 20:48:54 pm »

Hi,

" how can voltage perform in dead short with no amps"

If we charge the plates (electrostatic) then the electrons path in the water molecule would elongate.
If this path is wide enough then the covalent bonding of water molecule snaps and the atoms would regain free floating electrons to be stabilized.
This splitting or pulling apart is possible because the water molecule has low bonding forces.
Voltage can preform work it has split the water molecule with no current. Current is restricted, it can not flow, because the breakdown is prevented we are having high resistance in the chokes on resonance.

If this restricting is not possible, the current can flow and we couldn't elongate the electron path enough. They slip through our capacitor (flowing) to the other side and the process repeats.

Br,
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exactly

THE RESONANT CIRCUIT IS NOT A PARALLEL OR SERIES TANK CIRCUIT LIKE IN THE COMMON AC TANK CIRCUITS

WE ARE NOT USING AC VOLTAGE

LOOK AT THE FORMULA IN THE FIRST FEW PAGES OF STANS FULL DATA PATENT FOR RESONANCE

THE SECRET IS THAT THE CHOKES MUST BE WOUND WITH THE WIRES SEPERATED AND WITH A LAYER OF PLASTIC TRANSFORMER TAPE BETWEEN EACH LAYER TO INCREASE THE CAPACITANCE OF THE CHOKE

SO THE FREQUENCY MUST RESONATE WITH THE ACTUAL CHOKE COIL'S CAPACITANCE AND INDUCTANCE TO CAUSE HIGH VOLTS AND LOW AMPS, ALMOST ZERO AMPS...THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE RESONANT SCANNING CIRCUIT. IT FOLLOWS THE CHOKE COILS RESONANT FREQUENCY BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE PICKUP COIL

THE REASON THE SCANNING CIRCUIT IS USED IS BECAUSE THE FREQUENCY WILL GO OUT OF RESONANCE AS HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN ARE DISASSOCIATED IN THE TUBE SET AT VARIOUS LEVELS AND AMOUNTS

THE VIC COIL IS DESIGNED WITH ITS ASSOCIATED CIRCUITRY TO KEEP THE CHOKES AT MAXIMUM AMP RESTRICTION WHILE ADAPTING TO THE NEEDS OF THE WATER FUEL CELL

THEREFORE BOTH CHOKES MUST MATCH EXACTLY

newer technology explained:

LATER ON STAN WENT TO A DIFFERENT STYLE OF VIC COIL (slotted tesla style windings) BECAUSE HE WAS PROCESSING A WATER VAPOR, THE DEMAND DID NOT CHANGE IN THE INJECTOR AS IT DOES IN THE WATER FUEL CELL TUBES BECAUSE WATER VAPOR / GAS HAS A FIXED CAPACITANCE IN THE INJECTOR, no need to follow the resonance of the chokes...

ALSO THE DISTROBUTOR HAD NO ROTOR AND NO Traditional ignition coil

the injector solenoids were timed to deliver fuel just before top dead center at 125 psi through a check valve, the newer vic coil delivered a pulse train to the injector after top dead center and the water fuel exploded instantly


HERE IS MY LATEST VIC CIRCUIT SIMPLIFIED.....USE PCB EXPRESS SOFTWARE TO VIEW

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Re: function of VIC: rethinking signals...
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2012, 06:23:22 am »
This is the DC analysis for the Driver Circuit with the 43mH Primary coil.

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Re: function of VIC: rethinking signals...
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2012, 08:28:25 am »
"Steve meyer says in a radio interview that it only takes 11 volts to pull an electron from hydrogen."


What exactly is the purpose of pulling an electron from a hydrogen what(atom,molecule,compound) ?  To pull implies an attraction force wich for an electron would be a possitive force it seems alltho a hydrogen atom is obviously positive by nature or neutral in molecular form right?
I think he kinda mentioned it was thought to take 13v to do that  before...
How do we accelerate an electron or pass it thru a potential diffrence of 11v to gain 11v for this pulling action and where does it go? Does it saturate in the water waiting to link up with an atom missing an electron we just pulled it from or is it used up some other way?

Its interesting to know also that it takes a 1,836g magnetic field to flip the spins of a protons electron in a glass of water.

Im wandering now if its possible to flip the spins of those electrons in that band Steve Meyers was talking about???
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Re: function of VIC: rethinking signals...
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2012, 10:02:58 am »
I also want to point this out, not sure if anybody has paid this much attention.

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Re: function of VIC: rethinking signals...
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2012, 01:39:49 am »
Yeah, I'm pretty sure those numbers are for the Injector VIC coil.
There's lots of good info in the appendix section of the TB.

Back to that injector VIC.....

Transformers are typically made so that no empty space exists (wire completly fills all the cavities/bobbins)

I calculated what the turns ratio would be if each cavity were completly filled.

Result: 400 turn primary, secondary coils (secondary + chokes) came up to 11,956 turns. (chokes completly filled cavities and turned out to 11.6K Ohms ea)
Turns ratio 1:29.89
12V input 358V out
Note that these calculations will not be exact in the real world, but they shoudl be fairly close.

I think the injector VIC used a lower frequency gate pulse to allow the voltage to build up higher (Up to 40kV)
Or this VIC operated as a flyback: Voltage comes from fast rate of current change from square wave

(http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu141/Hms-776/vicc.jpg)