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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #120 on: March 17, 2011, 11:10:39 am »
Yes it is still puzzling me, i read about the resonant action but i have a theory about that, i think that the resonant action happens in the ions or dissociated atoms that remained ionized.. Why i say this? Cause the voltage fields do in fact perform work by accelerating any free charged particle to close the respective attracting electrode, so when the field phase the attraction zone will change. For example, i'm saying that you can apply each field 180° away from each other, so no current can flow as there is no potential, the field is unipolar in reference to a reference "ground". When this field phases changes i think it induces the molecular ringing that start a resonance of water and it might start to absorb energy till the point it breaks down, already energy enhanced.


Probably than what i'm trying to say is that the free ions will strike the aligned molecules. This would explain many things. The water molecules will always remaim alined as there is a unipolar field, however as the fields attraction are 180° out of phase the ions are free to oscillate. Stan says that we should design the circuit as to resonate at this frequency wavelength whatever, i need to learn about that. thats why i'm in the physics university. unfortunately for now we have only kinematics, vectors, geometry and calculus...


I think that a variable gap plate design would be a good way to find out the frequency of this oscillation to better understand the behavior so to be able to adjust the circuit to match to the wavelength of the gap using a formula...

Maybe if voltage fields are enough high there will be no need to mind this frequency... or not.. .

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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #121 on: March 17, 2011, 13:10:18 pm »
The pll with the gate is a single or harmonic frequencies generator, when you let only 1pulse to be. Dave lawton circuit wouldn't work very nice using the reset pin of the 555 he would do better if he used a nor gate to mix the frequencies this way one frequency don't change the other anyway there would be pulses being cut off at wrong position generating shorter than should pulses in the end or start of the pulse train. So only during the bursts the resonance would be maintained. I'm not so sure if he really succeeded... but is possible even with such crude circuit.


The gate harmonics are reversed. For example you have 10khz pulse and makes 50% dutycycle pulse trains at 1khz you will have 5 pulses so i think you will have a 5khz harmonic. Maybe is not exactly that. But i as a musician i could notice that when i change the pulse numbers i heard sounds like 5ths and 3ths 4ths ... so i guess they are perfect harmonics like. I think that as the are created in lower frequencies than pulsed they can add some noize to excite resonances of higher harmonics.


If the signal coming from the pll is not gated the current flow is almost 1/3 greater than if you just take one pulse off. Maybe the harmonics also helps the core to reestablish its initial conditions.










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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #122 on: March 17, 2011, 16:11:12 pm »
variac primary burned!!!  >:(

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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #123 on: March 17, 2011, 21:56:38 pm »
variac primary burned!!!  >:(

Oh my.....
That happend to me also three months ago...
Thats very nasty.
How many amps did you pull?
Looks like a strait dc drycell test failure    8)

Are your tests now on hold?

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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #124 on: March 18, 2011, 05:29:27 am »
I think i solved the problem the variac wasn't burned it was in resonance, the fuse was gone and the capacitor was resonating with the primary at 60hz oh boy a noise that you can't imagine.




I had a 15uf cap in parallel with the fuse so if the fuse blow it don't burn the mosfet with the back pulse. Now i changed it to a 100nf capacitor, is just to prevent the variac to destruct the mosfet.


Now is working again.


I went to the university today and i talked with two teachers and explained to them the situation and they asked me to send some info so i will send the tech brief for them to read and understand more about what we are doing. This are all doctors and are all researchers from plasma to materials physics, this guys develop the new materials for the transistors and so on...!!!


Hope they can help...


Anyway i went to the engineering school library today and took 4 books to home, one called The electrical engineering hand book >2500 pgs, Richard C. Dorf. than other called Fundamentals of electrical engineering >1000 pages, Bobrow. and one called Electric and magnetic fields, Attwood,  and yet another called principles of inverter circuits...


In the last book i found many interesting things... Will spend some time now to try to understand how to improve my switching.


Steve i was pushing 250 volts at the peak and the tx5 coil started to arc all around... Than the noize started and i though it was burned.


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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #125 on: March 18, 2011, 14:30:58 pm »
http://www.4shared.com/file/e88MegJD/Electrical_Engineering_Handboo.html


Electrical_Engineering_Handbook, university of california....its a bible 

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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #126 on: March 18, 2011, 15:44:38 pm »
http://www.4shared.com/file/e88MegJD/Electrical_Engineering_Handboo.html


Electrical_Engineering_Handbook, university of california....its a bible
Thank you for the link!

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Re: Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato
« Reply #127 on: March 18, 2011, 16:32:51 pm »
Man all those books are wonderful for what we are doing here, i will try to track the link for this books, the electric field book has passage that says this: 

" pg118
5 consequences of current flow


1 heating
2 electrochemical effect (electrolysis)
3 magnetic effect
4 rearrangement of charge
5 radiation of energy!
Electric charge radiates energy in the form of electromagnetic wave when it is accelerated or decelerated. Around a circuit with AC there is regular redistribution of charge and, in the surrounding space, a continual time-changing electric field witch we recognize as a displacement current. But the latter creates a time-changing magnetic field and this in turn, by transformer action, induces in the insulating region a time-changing voltage or electric field. So the electric and magnetic fields mutually create and support each other and in interacting propel radiant energy out into space. This phenomenon becomes of great importance at the higher (radio) frequencies. "


so if we accelerate ions they release radiant energy as a wave (wave guide resonant cavity), if you think of the interactions of the electric and magnetic field the water pump as the hyper drive can be achieved. Just using fields to accelerate it doesn't cost me any does it?




just found it Electric and magnetic fields, stephen attwood  for this you need to get a program that opens it (probably) easy to find-
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=V43MYEZT


I tried to find the bobrow book fundamentals of electrical engineering for you too but this one i couldn't find, its from oxford university! of course in amazon there is, maybe google library


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