Stan Resonance finally cracked! by Sebosfato

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Guys i think that i have just fully understood what meyer did, and i recommend you to start experimenting right now.


The vic in the patent will have tx5 coil in resonance in relative to the inner SS tube and the outside of the container capacitance. This makes that when the positive charge applied to the water capacitor outer SS tube thru the 56 positive choke, negative charges cannot go thru the inductor cause of the positive impedance reactance thus it goes to the capacitance on the outside of the container, in the sequence when the pulse is off the charge flows from outside of the container into the water thru the inductor, so you can effectively re tar-d-  the current in relation to the voltage by 180°. This is the resonance, the coils must only be made to resonate with the container basically. This will cause the frequency doubling and the step charging effect because of the way the coils are arranged. When the capacitance is discharging thru the coil the other pulse is generated, but at the same time the negative side now really become negative. Than the process reverse and the resonance keep going. Simple as that


I think that he used unipolar pulses to force the effect even further. But could work with 50% pulses gated.

A sheet of copper can be added in the outside of the container to create the capacitance in relation to the inner tube.

The resonance will restrict the amps by retarding the current, and by the effect i mentioned about the "pseudo positive" witch will attract electrons to the negative electrode preventing them to flow.


Between the tubes there will be a static DC and an AC field.


Tomorrow i want to hear your experiment results.

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Anyone understood what i've just said?


Please reply... Tell me what do you think.   


sebosfato

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Really sad to see that anyone understood what i mean. 22 views and no reply. Sorry.


Today i'm very happy the university seem to be what expected, the best. I will have free access to oscilloscopes and any kind of meters in the labs during the day. Seems that i only need to make an informal request to a professor.


I happy.


Than this theory come up.


On my calculations to make the cell here resonate at 5khz my tuned choke will have 3H and the primary 2mh the secondary and the other choke i estimated something like 450mh each having the diode in the middle.


with around 5 watts and recirculating 200ma the circuit should develop 20kv at resonance. On the other side a voltage of max piv 600 volts should exist between the water plates of course having the amps restricted.


For me now is very obvious the mechanisms meyer used to restrict the amps, from the water, the coils, the resistor...


The coils is the most phenomenal in my opinion, cause when you induce a counter voltage to the flow of the current in the coil you will have currents flowing in both directions in the wire so one restrict the other. Obviously a min flow must exist but the circuit can than be tuned to restrict the amps to a min. Tuned i mean to choose the right chokes, core, wire, frequency, cavity, water, pulsing circuit...


Now for me is all about have the time and energy to build all this and to check. Hopefully, in the next week i will have all the days free and will only study at night. In this week anyway i will not have much time, there are activities all day long in the university.


all for now. Stay tuned!

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Just to try making things clearer, The coils tx2 and tx4 are fields aiding thus having a diode there between them, you form a current source (charge pump). On the other side you have the other coil tx5 wound in opposite direction witch implies that whenever from the tx2 tx4 combination exits a positive pulse, from tx5 also a "pseudo" positive pulse is applied, (relative to ground) therefore the coil have in it current that wants to flow in one direction because is serially connected to the cell (short circuit) but at the same time as the voltage in the coil is reverse in polarity it restrict the amps. It will restrict the amps cause the coil will have a positive and a negative side (induced) and therefore the electrons don't want to leave the positive side to go flow thru the water, nor they want to go to the ground witch is already negative. 


As tx5 is connected to ground witch i'm assuming to be the ground level outside the container and considering meyer concern about insulation, i see that it has a capacitance in parallel with it witch is formed by the container (water bath housing) as main dielectric much like a Leyden jar. Therefore should form a resonant tank circuit. This creates at the same time the ability to double the frequency, and to retard the current going thru the water. When the resonance flips and the pseudo positive reverse and become negative while the other side still positive cause of the blocking diode is when i think that the gases are liberated.

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Wants  to understand amp restriction? Than just think: What if the pseudo positive is more positive relative to ground than the positive from the diode?


this one i will not answer!
 
Just a hint:


Blocking diode!

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Sebosfato, I'm waiting for core material to arrive.

Best thing to do is build it as Stan describes it in the patent.
You already know, it is difficult to understand how it works and how to build it.

I follow your 'theory' now it must be transformed into practice...

br,
Webmug

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Nice hearing from you Webmug,


I'm now doing some calculations and trying to determine the parameters. http://ludens.cl/Electron/Magnet.html


In this patent Meyer clearly have TX5 resonating with the container therefore i'm going to use reverse engineering to calculate.


For example for calculating oriented grain core to work at 5khz having a cross section of 0,0006m2 and limiting the saturation to 1,5T you would need 0,1 turn per volt. So if you have 200 volts max in the primary 20 turns is pretty much what you need for the primary probably having a tap every 5 turns would be good. The secondary in the patent meyer says that should be designed to have 2000volts thus 200 turns is good for that.


From what i'm thinking the resonant charging chokes, at least tx5 must be made with thicker wire such as the primary 24awg cause it will resonate and therefore there will be a recirculating current in it. In other patent Stan says 100 turns for the chokes, and i think is ok cause when resonance happens its voltage can get over 10kv and thus restrict the amps even being of lower number of turns than the secondary. This could be right if we are not interest in keeping the 5hkz as working frequency. This could be wrong. I'm thinking that Tx5 should have the right inductance to resonate with the cell, here my cell (container) have 330pf thus for 5khz this give me 3H. If so calculation should be made backwards.


I'm going to make some coils here rapidly so i can do some preliminary tests. I will use the (I) side only of the (EI) core as the core, cause i think the all core is too much. I can't wait to see this working!


I'm thinking that when the TX5 positive (b-) voltage is greater than the B+ voltage the amps will be restricted cause the diode wont allow the current to flow in the opposite direction. Therefore restricting the current. Is like biasing.


And if you think well the bifilar would have no problem cause between the water plates theres not going to be too much voltage, only in reference to the outside. I think that a 3kv insulation between the bifilar wires is more than enough and i think the coating of the wire already is rated for this, not sure..


One thing still takes my attention, with 3H needed i think that i will need to make 1000 turns for achieving this, witch would become too high voltage if the transformer was to be designed from the primary to the secondary in conventional way.


Thus maybe the primary and secondary should be designed to not even reach half of the saturation cause during the resonance the core will saturate already in my imagination.


I thought of going in the reverse direction.


I have 100ohm 3H 200ma 20kv 5khz so the primary should be 2mh if i'm coming from 12v... 


Than the secondary i think that 450mh would be ok and also for the other choke.


Is what i'm going to do now.


Thanks for the reply webmug.


Br

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My testing coils are as follows:
Prim. 850uH 1ohm 200wnd AWG23 (100ohm series resistor)
Sec. 150mH 46ohm 2000wnd AWG30
Pickup center tapped 2x 15mH 2x11ohm  2x500wnd AWG30
Choke1 150mH 46ohm 2000wnd AWG30
Choke2 150mH 46ohm 2000wnd AWG30

Copper wire insulation should sustain 2k5Volt.
Inductance depends on core material used (measured values are without core)
Going to try ferrite core ( UU core )

My wfc cell is insulated in delrin. Wires are fully insulated.

br,
Webmug