Bob Boyce

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Why do you even bother replicating , you can now buy one his cells for a couple thousand $.  In fact , he named his company "the cell" ...

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Hi Dankie,
                     Our idea is to replicate the original one that he supposed to have done all these magical things, but it seems the one that he has posted on the web is NOT the real original set up??, we here in Australia would find it more costly to buy form a 'Bob Boyce outlet, and why should we make him rich over something that from what we can find out NO ONE can really replicate from the information that is given out in the D9, a document that keeps changing. that is the reason that we have built the unit, and this Saturday we will see if what is in the D9 works or not.
aussepom

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Why do you even bother replicating , you can now buy one his cells for a couple thousand $.  In fact , he named his company "the cell" ...

Dankie

THE CELL is merely a 2 x 6 series cell brute force booster that generates hydroxy at the rate +- 1 lpm for every 10A, 13.8V.
This is NOT a 101 plate cell for resonance purposes.
At http://waterfuelforall.com/forum/index.php?topic=423.0
we have been trying to replicate the 101 plate Boyce setup for the past 5 months but no luck yet.
Are doing everything exactly as per Bobs specification and even have a Hex controller....
Best attempt by Watkykjy achieved an increased gas production effect that could have been resonance.
Unfortunately he only achieved this effect once for about 5 seconds but could not maintain or
 replicate afterwards. Also, he could not do any gas measurements during this short period, so we cannot say for sure if it was resonance or not (Watkykjy is my friend and is really doing a good job! So if he cannot get it right, then it does make one think....
Maybe all information needed is not disclosed??)
But we remain positive....and will keep on trying.....

Aussepom, please keep us updated about your own replication.....

Wouter

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Hi there

The  sealed unit 6 cell will do 2 lts per min for 15a at 12volts from one of our members, he has staked unit have a look for your self, the plans are available

[THE CELL is merely a 2 x 6 series cell brute force booster that generates hydroxy at the rate +- 1 lpm for every 10A, 13.8V.
This is NOT a 101 plate cell for resonance purposes.]
http://www.takeaction.com.au/hoh/hohnews/hoh_news_03_08.asp

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[we have been trying to replicate the 101 plate Boyce setup for the past 5 months but no luck yet.
Are doing everything exactly as per Bobs specification and even have a Hex controller....
Best attempt by Watkykjy achieved an increased gas production effect that could have been resonance.
Unfortunately he only achieved this effect once for about 5 seconds but could not maintain or
 replicate afterwards. Also, he could not do any gas measurements during this short period, so we cannot say for sure if it was resonance or not (Watkykjy is my friend and is really doing a good job! So if he cannot get it right, then it does make one think....
Maybe all information needed is not disclosed??)
But we remain positive....and will keep on trying.....]
it seems that some one else  has come to the same conclusions as our group,

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[ Hi
 try looking at these, I have a couple more to post an explanation , the series of pulses were done,  and strung together, now they were taken as the board was set up and a pic taken each time, there was a fault and it does show up then I traced it to a faulty connection on the Mosfet, then continued.
The cell was done by Ian and last Saturday when we tried to do the big test, well the same problems happened again, even when the board was tuned, things happen very quickly,  even though I was aware of the problem and was watching for it. there it went again 'BANG'.
We had every thing in the circuit, but with the board off, we did the test for the flow rate, this was very poor. It was set up as per 'Bobs recommendation of by applying just enough voltage across the cell to get 4 amps DC flowing through the cell. This took 204volts DC. Now get that from you 110AC or even the 120V AC, with out the aid of a step up transformer. So I have 'trouble shooted' the problem, it was as I expected, so I will be making some recommended changes to the board, and this will not 'change the concept of the circuit', although I have found another possible cause to some of the problem in the tuning, that may be able to be overcome. I will give you some free advice take it as it is given, in good faith, if you have a 'F' board or are going to get one, get the HD version, and fit the heavier Mosfets, it can still operate the same way but you do have a better chance to set it up. there is a good side to this as well, if it does not work, use it as a heavy pulse unit.
personally why bother.  before the blow up, we did the volume test, we got 4.6ltrs per min!. so to get to 40ltrs per min there has to be some real 'magical things to happen', I don't think so. but I are going to repair the board, I will be putting the Mosfet on a different 'statalite board', it will also house the 'new chokes' that I think that should be there. then this will be the last try. the unit is NO GOOD FOR PUTTING INTO A VEHICLE, THERE ARE MANY PROBLEMS WITH AN 'OPEN TANK' DESIGN. SO WHY BOTHER WITH AN INVERTER. 

 try this address I will put some more on later. ]
http://s565.photobucket.com/albums/ss94/aussepom/
well I will leave you to thing on this for awhile, there is more.
aussepom

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Hi Steve
                  guess what I have been banned from workingwatercar, must have been the last post I sent in, maybe they do not like is being found out, I expect that Hydroxcy, and the the others will follow, well I don't care it is what we have found out and that's bad luck if they do not like it. photobucket will carry more pic, the reason it was there is that one was a few
megbytes long. I have more to go on there and there will be a continuation here if thats ok with you Steve.
aussepom

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One of recent Bob's posts (http://waterfuelforall.com/forum/index.php?topic=423.new;topicseen#new)

The only time 4 amps is used is during the cleansing phase, during which time the cells are not connected to the toroidal power system. After that, the conditioning phase, which is done for at least several days, running at about 1 amp, and again, the cells are not connected to the toroid power system. Only when operated during resonance, (after cleanse and conditioning are completed) is the toroidal power system connected. At that time, entraining potential current through the cell stack is in the few hundred milliamps range. The primary current to all three toroid primaries combined is no more than a few hundred milliamps TOTAL!

I will say this again, if you are running enough current to blow FETs or burn traces, then you have your pulse widths set way too wide! This toroidal power system WILL NOT WORK if you are running enough current through the primaries to create collapsing magnetic fields (with BEMF) at pulse end. This is NOT an electromagnetic transformer, nor was it designed to be. It is designed for switched transitions of potential (voltage) only, and passing those transitions along to modulate another dipole of higher potential. Even though it uses windings, it is designed for its capacitively fluxing potential, not fluxing magnetic fields. If I wanted it to be a magnetic transformer, it would be wound with magnet wire, and the primaries would be beneath the secondary. Try to think of it as a 3 phase fluxing capacitor instead of a 3 phase transformer.

I use a variac to adjust the secondary voltage, this adjusts the density of the water between the plates. Also, the toroid windings ideally should be wound for opposite spin in the southern hemisphere. This would mean winding CCW going CW, and the 3 phases would be reversed in direction for CW clocking. This is to compensate for the reverse earths magnetic field south of the equator. Having it wound and connected for northern hemisphere will still work, but at a loss of production.

By the way, the 100 cell unit was never designed to be used in a vehicle. Nor do I recommend it to be used in that manner. It was designed for stationary applications, as in genset installations, or welding gas generation. I used one during the booster rally only because it was easy and available, and it needed to be given a good cleanse, which I did while on the road.

Bob Boyce

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Another useful pile of his posts from last few years:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/12721781/OUPower-Bob-Boyce-PWM3

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More:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/12721795/OUPower-Bob-and-Lightwave