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Re: WFC VIC
« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2010, 00:28:12 am »
OK I mesured my coils tonight.All of my wire is 30 gauge .010" diameter.
Primary inductance= 200mH ,  200 turns
Secondary inductance= 3H , 1000 turns
Chokes inductance= 6.5H , 2000 turns
Ferroxcube U core,the largest one they make
again my LC resonance is @10khz at @ 1kv at the cell
 
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Re: WFC VIC
« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2010, 01:43:12 am »
Hi Dynodon. What cell did you measure with? Is this with or without water? Thank you for your time and info! Oh, yeah! and why did you choose to use the same size wire for both primary and secondary/chokes?

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Re: WFC VIC
« Reply #50 on: December 03, 2010, 02:36:41 am »
My measurements are of the coils themselves.My cell is a 3" tube set covered in delrin with tap water.All coils were measured with a B&K LCR meter with all the coils on the core,and all leads open,not connected to anything.
Stan's coils were all the same size wire and thats what I did as well.Power going to the cell is so small,large wire isn't needed.
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Re: WFC VIC
« Reply #51 on: December 03, 2010, 04:03:17 am »
Thank you for the clarification. Very interesting! Does your VIC get warm at all? I am assuming you are not getting any abnormal amount of gas production with such low current. How much water is the cell submerged in? I often have wondered after seeing a picture of the multi-celled, white, round, whatever it was called, if the water level was just slightly above or maybe even a little lower from the top of the cells. The way the design is made, the reservoir in the middle of the cell would lead me to think that the water was meant to flow out of the cells back into reservoir with great speed. This rapid circulation would possibly aid in releasing gasses from the bubbles more effectively and further ionization of the gasses. I wonder if the mass of the water has to, in some way, match up to the 10Khz? Everything else in the world has a resonance based on it's mass, why not water too? But, then you may have to ponder if the mass is only relevant to the space in the cell only, or is the entire bath part of the equation.

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Re: WFC VIC
« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2010, 08:33:28 am »
Thanks for the info Don.
From where online can I buy that 'Ferroxcube U core' you are using?
I would like to buy one because the flybacks I have are tiny compared to what stan was using !
 
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Re: WFC VIC
« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2010, 14:17:29 pm »
Ferroxcube U core,the largest one they make
Laminated?
Also, did you insulate your WFC electrodes?
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Re: WFC VIC
« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2010, 14:55:58 pm »
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Everything else in the world has a resonance based on it's mass, why not water too?

building/ Tuning a circuit to match the acoustic frequency of the cylinder I feel would promote the resonance of mass (water).

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Re: WFC VIC
« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2010, 22:40:06 pm »
Bubz,my coils never get even warm,because there is no current,just voltage potential.Only a very small trickle of gas if you look very close.This is a good thing.My cell is completely covered in water,as with Stans resonant cell.There is water level detectors in the side of Stans cell that indicates the level.The cell is a full flow system.Water is always circulating back to the holding tank.The resonance in this cell is only between the tubes.Your not trying to resonate the whole cell cavity.
HM,I bought my U cores on Ebay.If you go to their web site I'm sure you can find a dealer list somewher on it.Just about any type of core will work,it just limits how much wire you can get on the bobbins that fit them.Smaller bobbins may need smaller gauge wire to get enough on them.
Alan,My cores are ferrite,but laminate will work also.Up to a point.And I've mentioned before my tube set is covered in delrin.Not individually insolated,tubes are bare.
Don