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It seems the secondary and chokes are configured as series connected and are all the same polarity

Is this true


Therefore the step up ratio required at 12 volts on the primary is 150 to 1 to get 1800 volts at the output

therefore if the primary has 100 turns the three coils must total 15000 turns

so that means each coil must have 5000 turns of wire


does this sound close to stans design parameters Dynodon???

Also Don, were the values in the excel sheet based on an actual VIC coil you measured or are these values from one of your replications?

Thanks

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When Stan is talking about coil ratio in his patent his example is 10:1 step up in comparison to primary and secondary.. He then says if he applies 12v then he gets 360volts spikes.. But he also says that with the chokes being the same amount of winds as secondary that its a 30:1

The voltage Stan is creating is higher then the output of the transformer based on wind ratio i think.. Stan is incrementally  (pulsing) which is displacing the electrons within the transformer.. His higher voltage is not based off of the ratio since it goes higher i do believe..

The way I imagine it is Stan has a transformer made to displace and oscillate continously.. Once it gets up to like say 5000volts, you can cut off input and the circuit will continue to oscillate due to the mechanical resonance that was achieved from the gated pulses.  It will oscillate until all the charge leaks back across the gap from negative to the positive..  Remember stan is not getting 0 amps.. There is still leakage across the gap..

This is why Stan says he can run the circuit in a resonant condition for 5 seconds then cut off the input and it will continue to output gasses for 94 seconds.. Its because he resonates a displacement in the coil and that displacement discharges at around 2 ma or so..

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Ali ,the measurements in the spreadsheet were taken from Stans coils,not my own.
Everyone who recieved the dvd's with the spreadsheet, I will tell you what the different readings in the tabs mean.
 
First tab "Loose coils" are the reading of each vic coil without the core installed.
 
Second tab "On Core Open" means the core was installed,and all of the coils were not wired to anything,all leads were open.
 
Third tab "On Core Closed" means the coils were on the core and all of the coils had their wires twisted together,except the one being tested.Each coil leads were twisted together seperate from the other.I mean when the primary coil was tested,the secondary coil leads were twisted together,and each choke coil was twisted together,all sperate from each other.
 
Then of course the last tab was the cell readings.
 
I hope you all understand this.If you recieved a dvd from me and you don't have the spreadsheet let me know and I will email it to you.I didn't get it on the dvd's,forgot.
 
Don

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Transformer Calculations:
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Vic Bobbin Shown can hold at the most

30 layers deep x 114 winds wide = 3420 turns per choke

3420 x 3 coils = 10260 turns for all three

if 10260 turns = 2000 volts (target output at 12 volts)

2000 / 10260 = .194931773 volts per turn

12 volts primary / .194931773 volts = 61.56 turns on the primary

10260 / 61.56 = 166.66 to 1 transformer ratio

PROOF: 12 volts x 166.66 = 2000 volts

if voltage is varied from 3 volts to 12 volts to control production ( using figures 2, 3, & 4 as stated in the patent)
then 3 volts would give a final output voltage of 3 x 166.66 = 499.98 volts
6 volts as a lower limit would give us 999.96 volts

these calculations are based on zero losses and using an optimum AC signal to overcome hysteresis losses

i dont know how the square wave, DC signal with a diode affects these calculations

I do know that a small inductance on the primary is required because at 10khz anything over 50mh tends to make the square wave a pure dc (battery) signal and the pulsing signal would be lost in the inductive reactance.

for this reason the type of core used must be thin and flat with a very low permeability and the gap between halves helps avoid saturation
as seen in the final VIC core

photos attached with dimensions

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CORRECTION>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

i did some looking and calculations on the actual VIC primary and its got about 741 turns
 
 now if each choke and the secondary can only hold close to 4000 turns each due to space limitations
 then 12000 / 741 = 16.2 turns ratio
 
 this would only give 194 volts output at 12 volts input... apparently the 1500 volts stan speaks of MUST be due to step charging
 
 5 cycles per capacitor charge = 194 x 5   = 970 volts??
 
 what gives??

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The one thing that has eluded me in this journey of discovery is the electrical fundamental formula related to series resonance vs parallel resonance

With series resonance the amps go high while the voltage goes down at resonance

With parallel resonance the voltage goes high, keeping amps at a minimum

that is documented all over the net at every single site and in all the electronics books

so my question is:
does the secondary coil of the transformer count as the parallel inductor with the water cap (tube) disregarding the chokes...

it appears that if the resonance we are seeking is the tank circuit between the secondary/choke combination and the WFC then it looks like a series resonant tank circuit and therefore: series resonance should give high amps and low voltage!

OR are we shooting for resonance of the capacitive / inductive characteristics of the choke coils themselves

What exactly do you think the PLL is providing as far as the resonant frequency? does the fact that the secondary is a voltage source at each end of the coil make it a parallel tank circuit as opposed to a series tank circuit with an external power source?

others have indicated that the blocking diode prevents a tank circuit...

the mystery boggles my mind

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In the Meyer decription on how the the whole VIC circuit is working (meaning, the transformer + chokes + watercapacitor) Meyer stated two things wich are a little bit of a contradiction.
First, he states that when the circuit is in resonance, voltage acros watercap is higher then output of transformer, secondly that voltage across choke is higher then output of transformer and as last comment that VT is higher then output of transformer.

A Simple calculation of U=I*R can tell you that HV across the watercap is simple BS.

So only VT is left...... Creating a HV zone on one side of the watercap and a HV zone across the negative side.
If you use a Bifilar winded choke, then at the right timing, meaning at resonance of the LC of the choke and with a little R from the cell, you will notice HV of VT.
(VT = 1 choke plus cell = L+C, accoording to Meyer.) C = electrode. Not the dielectric of the water, because Meyer states that that acts as R)

regards
Steve