WFC VIC

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Hey Donald,
From what I've been able to make out is that this circuit board contains part of the "Analog Voltage Generator", "Voltage Amplitude Control", "Cell Driver", "PLL", "Resonant Scanning Circuit", and "Pulse Indicator Circuit". Still working most of it out.

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Sweet stuff, I'll be taking a closer look too, as soon as I can.

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Webmug,
those test of my coils were done with the scope probe connected to one side of the secondary coil and the ground clip connected to the other side of the secondary coil.It didn't make alot of differance if the ground clip was hooked up or not.I first connected the probe,and there was voltage being read,then I connected the probes ground and didn't see a change.The rest of my tests were done with both connected.When I test my whole vic,I ground the probes ground to my dc power supply output ground.
 
Tony,
I seen Stans scanning circuit running and it would take between 2-3 seconds to go each way.
 
Donald,
Half of the Voltage Amplitude Control, (figure 4) is on that card,the other half is with the vic coils.
All of the Cell Driver Circuit (figure 5) is on that card.
All of The Phase Lock Loop Circuit (figure 7) is on that card.
All of The Resonant Scanning Circuit (figure is on that card.
All of The Pulse Indicator Circuit (figure 9) is on that card.
The Variable Pulse Frequency Generator (figure 12), the Gated Pulse Frequency Generator (figure 6),the Analog Voltage Generator (figure 3) were all in the GMS control panel.
 

Here's a pic of the GMS panel
Don

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Thank you Don! That will make it a lot easier to build this!

What about Figure 2: Gas feedback control circuit,
Figure 11: Digital Control Means, I think this is inside the laser accelerator?


Do you have any pictures of the cards inside that GMS unit?

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How much energy in watts  per hour (or joules) needed to spend to convert 1 liter of water in gas? I am interested in the efficiency of the cell. Thanks.

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How much energy in watts  per hour (or joules) needed to spend to convert 1 liter of water in gas? I am interested in the efficiency of the cell.

I think nobody knows, how efficient the cell actually really was.


I thought again about the blocking diode and the PIV-rating. Don, when your circuit is oscillating at 2kV, what voltage then, the diode does actually see (e.g. what's the voltage over the diode)? Did you ever measure that? I would have a hypothesis, which would allow a lower voltage over the diode during blocking condition (pulse on). Gee I really have to continue experimenting, but still a lot of work to do in my job...Maybe in a few days...
Unfortunately I've wound my coil with more turns on the secondary, than both chokes together. But as I see it now, this would prevent the actual circuit from working. So I have to wind a new coil, which takes quite some time...

As I was interested, I shortly had a closer look at the primary driving circuit of Stan. For better view, I started to color the power routing (just the obvious ones). Here's the pic if anyone wants to continue.
(http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/9059/meyerspics69powerroutin.jpg)
It really looks like he used a 1N4003 as a freewheeling diode and another one as the series diode. Do you know, what type it was? As from the picture you can hardly see it.
I still think it's quite terrible, that he used a 1N4003 for the freewheeling. It's way too slow. You would get a terrible surge on every switch off (especially due to the leakage inductance), which would kill the TIP120. This could also be a reason, why he inserted the parallel resistor in the first hand, as kind of a poor man's snubber. There do exist fast switching 4003s, the UF4003. But he clearly used an 1N4003. IMHO he either inserted the resistors, as a snubber, to prevent surges before the diode switches, or he intentionally made it to lower the losses in the resonator (get a higher Q) or he used it, as a voltage forming network, like in a flyback and intentionally used a slow switching diode. I would guess, the first is most probable.

But what's really strange is, that he connected the primary neg of the coil over an RC-damper to the VCO-Output!
But now, I really have to work...

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How much energy in watts  per hour (or joules) needed to spend to convert 1 liter of water in gas? I am interested in the efficiency of the cell.

lets go with some information provided by stans control driver circuit international patent,

stan says at start up the vic will consume about 25 milliamps through the water

Stan states that in a resonant condition current leakage across the cell is 1-2 millamp

stans transformer is a 5:1 comparing secondary to primary

this means that with chokes and secondary wired in series he has a 15:1
if he has 100 percent power transfer on the core then with 12 volts in the transformer should be able to get 180 volts out at the least..

we know stan has a 10.5 ohm primary and a 72.5 ohm secondary

we know that stan used a 20 ohm resistor in parallel with primary giving 6.8 ohms resistance

the series chokes add up to around 218 ohms


ok 12 volts to the primary which has 6.8 ohms of parallel resistance

12v / 6.8 ohms = 1.76 amps
the resistor has twice the resistance then the coil so the coil accounts for 1/3 of the current

1.76amps / 3 = .58 amps

12v x .58 amps = 6.96 watts

so lets see if we can calculate the power in secondary..

if you are getting 100 percent power transfer in the core then the secondary will receive 6.96 watts of total force

6.96 watts / 180 volts = 38 millamps

*Note*  Not sure if any of this is correct also just because i say 180v output of the secondary does not mean thats the total voltage reached.. it is more or less the force applied during step charging..


heres a pic of my vic
I made the core out of a microwave transformer core.. I do not think there is enough interaction with the core and the winds because i do not get total suspected output..  my furthest wind from secondary reads about 4 volts while the secondary will read 18 and the one on the same ucore as primary reads around 7 volts.. the voltage reading being at the highest achievable output in the frequency range of 1-10khz 

I am using 30gauge my secondary is 3000 winds as are my chokes.. they read about 75 ohms
my primary is 500 and it reads about 10 ohms
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/water%20fuel%20tech/101_1736.jpg)

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How much energy in watts  per hour (or joules) needed to spend to convert 1 liter of water in gas? I am interested in the efficiency of the cell.

lets go with some information provided by stans control driver circuit international patent,

stan says at start up the vic will consume about 25 milliamps through the water

Stan states that in a resonant condition current leakage across the cell is 1-2 millamp

stans transformer is a 5:1 comparing secondary to primary

this means that with chokes and secondary wired in series he has a 15:1
if he has 100 percent power transfer on the core then with 12 volts in the transformer should be able to get 180 volts out at the least..

we know stan has a 10.5 ohm primary and a 72.5 ohm secondary

we know that stan used a 20 ohm resistor in parallel with primary giving 6.8 ohms resistance

the series chokes add up to around 218 ohms


ok 12 volts to the primary which has 6.8 ohms of parallel resistance

12v / 6.8 ohms = 1.76 amps
the resistor has twice the resistance then the coil so the coil accounts for 1/3 of the current

1.76amps / 3 = .58 amps

12v x .58 amps = 6.96 watts

so lets see if we can calculate the power in secondary..

if you are getting 100 percent power transfer in the core then the secondary will receive 6.96 watts of total force

6.96 watts / 180 volts = 38 millamps

*Note*  Not sure if any of this is correct also just because i say 180v output of the secondary does not mean thats the total voltage reached.. it is more or less the force applied during step charging..


heres a pic of my vic
I made the core out of a microwave transformer core.. I do not think there is enough interaction with the core and the winds because i do not get total suspected output..  my furthest wind from secondary reads about 4 volts while the secondary will read 18 and the one on the same ucore as primary reads around 7 volts.. the voltage reading being at the highest achievable output in the frequency range of 1-10khz 

I am using 30gauge my secondary is 3000 winds as are my chokes.. they read about 75 ohms
my primary is 500 and it reads about 10 ohms

@outlawstc,
Hey, that's the same I get when I used a iron core. Too low voltage from the secondary coil. That core didn't do anything, so I got ferrite core.
I wound 2000 turn secondary (0.25mm2) and have 200 turn primary (0.6mm2) and get about 150V out. Rewinding the primary...
My core is 8mm round.
My secondary core resonates at 13kHz. When I connect the two chokes (also 2000turns each 0.25mm2) it resonates at 2.5kHz.

Also keep minimal spacing between the chokes and (secondary and primary) on both sides of the U-core legs behaves different.
When too much separated, there are magnetic losses. I have 40mm spacing (measured between center of the coils)

Great setup, wfc and vic  outlawstc! How/where did you made the bobbins?
Is it correct that your wfc cell capacitance is in the nano farads?

br,
Webmug