WFC VIC

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Don, thanks for this insight. As I see it, if you wire it, like in that patent pic, then you will mainly have ac on the cell (with a slight DC, due to the charging current)
IMHO the only configuration which can show a double pulse on the cell is the one with both chokes with same polarities to the cell, and only if the cell is made in a tubular configuration. 


@sebosfato:
About the showed earth connection in the WFC-pic.
I just thought about the same this morning. And as I remembered and if I understood correctly what Don said, the water was circulated all the time through the cell and back to the tank. But this makes a huge difference in relation to the actual electric circuit. Why? The neg electrode is on the inside and the outer electrode is isolated. The inner electrode has direct contact to the water. Which means, as water itself is a conductor, all the water in the car tank will be part of this electrode potential "capacity". And if this water is not everywhere isolated from the buggy, even the buggy itself will get this potential. This would actually be almost equal to saying, that the neg electrode is connected to "earth". As there's anyway no "earth" on a car. But "earth" just means a big capacity. And the capacity of all the water will surely be quite big in relation to all other capacities in the circuit (even if the water would be completely isolated from the car). So in this manner, this showed (symbolic) "earth" on the inner electrode could make sense. It would surely quite strongly change the picture of how the VIC-circuit is working. For to really get, how this thing works, 2 points need to be satisfied:
1.) You need to know how it was wired.
2.) You need to know, how the "relevant" equivalence circuit is looking like.
And especially the 2nd part is IMHO the harder part, as the capacities involved are all that small, that any parasitic capacity could be relevant.

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I believe that the water was completely insulated, so it could maintain the charge (so as the pump necessarily). The fact that he makes it circulate is because of the reason he gave us, when a charged particle cross an electric field the result is electromagnetic energy. So he could avoid lasers for example... The earth or ground that i'm talking about is called by meyer isolated ground... thats why...


But yet from this doesn't mean that the electrical insulated ground is in contact with the water... with thus i believe is not. So for me this forms the resonant ability cavity.


I'm not sure if the water was recirculated back in the tank but could be, as could also be there recirculating and water being added according to the level in the cavity... not sure about that...


So what i'm saying is that no electrode inside the water is electrically connected direct to the ground only thru the coil or dielectric (forming the capacitance) therefore forming the resonant tank.


Yes water will hold up a very big charge (big capacity), if it sits in an insulated housing...

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Bubs the doubling means that you will input pulse 50% duty and you will have that same frequency bur flipping polarity, therefore if you was going to full wave rectify you would get a double frequency, but happens that the vic does not need a full wave bridge cause of the phase of the resonance in relation to the pulse, so only at the resonant frequency you will see the frequency doubling..

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So what i'm saying is that no electrode inside the water is electrically connected direct to the ground only thru the coil or dielectric (forming the capacitance) therefore forming the resonant tank.

What I meant was: There's anyway no "ground" connection on a car. The "ground" on your car, is just a body with a big capacity. And as all the water will have an electric connection to the inner tube, this means, that there's quite a big capacity (in relation to the capacities in the VIC) directly at the neg electrode. So from a pure electrical schematic viewpoint you would describe this equal as having a "ground" connection directly at the inner tube. Basically you would say, that there's a big capacity (in relation to the VIC capacities) connected to the inner tube.
Sure the capacity overall is very small (as usual with single terminal capacities, e.g. as huge as the earth is, it has only about  710 uF), but compared to the VIC capacities it is big. Which means nothing else, than the circuit is surely not able to raise or lower the voltage (of this capacity in relation to the environment) at this point in the circuit by much. As it would have to charge any other smaller single terminal capacity in the VIC to a much higher voltage to be able to do that.


BTW: Can anyone of you read the words where the first choke is (top left), in this handwritten note from Stan?
(http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/ORIGSKETCH2.jpg)

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As I again thought about the 5-VIC-coil layout I discovered an IMHO interesting point.
From the VIC-size and AWG-size, as told by Don, my guesses would be about the following Nr turns of the coils (Primary 100 or 200, Pickup 400, Secondary and both chokes 2'000). Sure the numbers are only guesses, but I think they should be in the right dimension region. What is really interesting is the fact, that the secondary has the same size as each of the choke coils.
If we now look at the wiring, that Don described (same as patent pic, shown before), one thing is very interesting to see: The choke coil voltage (of both coils in series) is certainly 2times as big as that of the secondary. This means, when the primary is energized, no current can flow through the diode. Only when the primary is off, and the chokes are swinging in reverse, a current would flow through the diode. This is quite strange.


Were the pickup windings also wound in 2 coils, as in the patent circuit? Is it just me, or are 400turns for the pickup not abit much...
Did the wire of the primary coil get out of the coil at two different ends, or at the same end of the coil. IMHO this would determine, if it had 100turns or 200turns (so if the ratio primary to secondary/chokes was rather 1:10 or 1:20).
Where were the resistors connected? I think you once mentioned, the 2 smaller ones (220Ohms, which look like connected in parallel) were connected to the pickup, and the big green one was connected to the primary. Is this correct? From the picture, it could also be, that all three were in parallel.

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ive read wer don said the core is two pieces  butted against each other......  just to ask a question lol  are the chokes on seperate halves  and or wich side is the secondary on compared with the chokes?

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Just look at the first pic in this thread, where the 5-coil-VIC is shown. The core was 2 U-core halves put together (in the pic, one U is at the top, seen as a n, and the other at the bottom, seen as a u). The red ones on the right side of the picture are the chokes, the blue one on the left the secondary.
But it's obvious that strictly speaking, all three coils are secondaries. The only difference is, that some coils can additionally resonate, and others not. And what exactly resonates with what capacities, is one big part of the mystery...

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thank you     was it the dublin institute that said the core in theory  wld have a q factory of infinity?   i jus like to think of the cokes as double secondarries lol  It appears to me  the secondary provides the initial voltage field to the plates for alignment purposes of the molecules.... the choke/s appear to  apply an atomic polarization of the atoms ( wich would require an oscillating waveform ... ).. maybe nuclear polarization from there i havent formed further oppinions yet.Im jus glad to be here lol.