WFC VIC

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Kali,
I tested the different coil lay outs before and after I saw the Stans coils.I'm always trying different ways with my set up trying to find the best outcome.Sometimes I don't have my notes handy when hooking up the coils,so I just play around.Gut when I do get them to put out the highest voltage,it always comes out to Stans arrangement.But if I change something in the circuit,like bifiller choke coils verses single coils,it may need a different setup.Sometimes I'll try two diodes,or no step up transformer coils,and other things.
 
So I don't always test with that one coil arrangement.
 
In my testing of resonance,I found that resonance was only happening with the positive choke and the cell.If I disconnect the negative choke ,resonance frequency wouldn't change.If I added a capacitor to the top choke,the resonance frequency would change,but if I added it to the negative choke it wouldn't change the frequency for resonance.If I added a capacitor to the cell, resonance frequency would change.
 
So from my test,resonance is between the positive choke and the cell.
Don

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Then you get something different from resonance, or the only possibility is if it was very very high frequency to be able to explore this kind of capacitances. I'm pretty sure it wont work if you don't use the resonance.

I'm not quite sure, what you wanna say here. Sure it's a resonance condition. You can easily see it by varying the frequency. But it's just a capacitively fed resonance, if you just connect one end.
But to be honest. If you think about it. The 2 circuits are not that far apart from each other in relation to what happens on the WFC. Both of them let resonate some AC current through the WFC, and both of them apply some DC remainings. Although the "same polarity circuit" would surely push more DC current through it, if not limited by a resistance.
Except. If the "same polarity circuit" would actually work, like I thought it would at first sight. Namely, that really both chokes resonate. That it is actually more a single resonating bottom fed coil, but just wired with 2 wires. The endresult would be that it should act like a Dr Stiffler circuit. Namely positive current always flows mainly in from one electrode and then gets discharged through the other electrode. But I'm not sure if this is really the case. For if you take directly a Stiffler circuit at a few Kilovolts you don't see anything unusual happen.
Actually I quite neglected my work lately. So work has piled. So I will have to stop experimenting for a few days...


@Don:
I'm personally still do not understand why you still test other variations of the circuit, if you actually saw, how Stans circuit was exactly wired. Then I personally would only do tests on exactly this circuit, as long as it needs, 'til I get a result...But maybe that's just me??? I don't know.

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Well i see the possibility for the chokes to resonate too, but i'm not sure by witch mechanism if in that manner.. The problem i see is that wont close the circuit being the diode there...

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Kali,I test other ideas just for the sake of research.I've tested Stans coil arrangement and it never works the way he claims.It doesn't double the frequency after the blocking diode.and it doesn't produce unipolar pulse either.It creates alot of a/c like voltage across the water,but no gas.It will light a flouresant bulb,but thats it.
 
When reading voltage with a scope,it shows up like a/c.Meaning it swings above and below 0 referance line,and there is no double unipolar pulses.Just a sine wave at resonance.Stan states that pulses never drop below 0 ground.Anytime I get all positive pulses,there is always a pause between them,and no double pulses.The frequency at the cell is the same as the pulsed frequency,no doubling.
 
So I keep trying different test to get those double puses to appear.I feel that those double pulses are the key.
Don

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Don the doubling frequency will happen only if tx5 coil is resonating with the container. I'm quite sure of that. I'm working on that. mind the electrical insulated hosing. Why for?


why in the vic of the patent there is a ground connection there?

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In everything Ive read the chokes  act as like a double secondary.... one thing i want to test is a core made like a flyback transformer where there is a very thin piece of mylar,mica or something between the core halfs mayb providing the unipolar coupling  idk but in any case how ever it needs to built so that the  secondary  not only provides rectified half waves , it also acts as a primary for the chokes.the chokes  then not only further restricts the amps but providing some for a pulse durring the secondary off but the chokes are puting out a resonate waveform instead of simple sinewave....  just some thawts 
I think mayb its this resonate waveform responsible for polarizing the atoms, aka e.p.p.( atomic polarizability ).
 Im not an electronics guy.. im a rock driller so i know very little in practicle expierience in transformers but do form oppinions about what i read....  that being said  what offsets the secondarys possitive and negatiive ends output by 90 degrees?

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Very interesting! I read where Don says he hasn't seen the frequency doubling. I have measured doubling with alternator coils and such, but, to get a better understanding I put together a super simple test using a signal gen, diode, and an air cored 100 wind coil. Measurements direct from the signal gen shows the selected frequency such as 60Hz, although, any measurements after the coil are all over the place. What am I seeing here? The meter rapidly fluctuates into the Khz range well beyond doubling from 60Hz.

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Bubz,you need to hook a scope to your test to be able to tune into the resonance of your choke.Your seeing alot of noise in your set up.Your choke only, will still resonate,but at what frequency.Once you tune into resonance,you'll see that it's at the same frequency as your input signal.That will only happen at resonance.
Don