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@Tony:
As I see it the main differences between Puharich's circuit and Stan's is the diode, and the voltage (Puharich used very low voltages). Puharich does not use a diode for rectification. This is the very strange thing about Puharich's circuit, namely that he states, that the WFC starts to act like a diode if he connects it to his circuit and rectifies the applied AC-Waveform. The only idea I could have, why this rectification could take place would be the inhomogeneous E-Field in the WFC due to the tubular arrangement.
It would be interesting, if anyone was ever able to replicate this rectification by the WFC. For one thing could be interesting: If you somehow manage, that the WFC starts to act like a diode, then you could suddenly apply a very high voltage to the WFC in the blocking direction of the WFC "diode". In this way the water would suddenly see a very high E-field, but the current couldn't flow.
But my personal guess is, that this rectification only happens at very low voltages, as Puharich used. If the inhomogeneous E-Field is responsible for it, it could be, that the E-Field differences just make the final step if the anode-reaction-potential is reached or not. Which means, the anode reaction could take place at the inner tube wall, as there the E-Field is stronger, but not take place at the outside tubewall, as there the E-Field is smaller. If this is the way Puharich's rectification took place, it wouldn't be possible to use this principle to apply a short HV-burst.
BTW: At these low voltages (below the reaction  potential) the WFC actually really acts like an almost perfect capacitor with a very high resistance. This is actually the basic principle how the low-voltage Super-Caps do work. Therefore it was probably very easy for Puharich to get a resonant circuit, as the WFC really just acted like a capacitor, and if the voltage just reached the critical reaction-potential it started to also act like a diode in one direction.


@Andy:
Actually I don't think the last hypothesis is really reasonable. But it was early in the morning  ...


Sorry again, to get that much Offtopic in this thread. I will again do the experiments with the "8xA circuit", but this time, with the AC waveform on resonance and not the Ton/Toff on resonance. But I will then start a new thread not to get anymore offtopic in here. Sorry!

Puharich did not use a diode because he used ground.
One side of the secondairy coil is grounded, so never ever ac on his device.
Go have a look at his patent.

Steve

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Speaking of WFC's acting like diodes, I have observed several of my cells taking on diode characteristics. Such as if I take my multimeter and set it to the "tone" test setting, it will only give a tone and conduct in one direction. I've also tested my cell with a diode tester and it acted just like a diode acts when being tested. Very strange stuff. I would like to see the avalanche effect occur at very low current ;-)

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One side of the secondairy coil is grounded, so never ever ac on his device.

Well, why should AC not be possible, if you ground one side??? Doesn't make sense to me? Would be nice, if you could explain a little farther what you mean. Take a any transformer and ground one wire. You will still have AC. The only difference would be, that now the overall potential is not floating anymore, but has a fixed reference potential.
I think Puharich even states himself somewhere, that the cell has rectifying capabilities. E.g. look at his Blood Patent. The circuit is very similar. And there he shows the equivalence circuit of the media, which is exactly as I would expect it to be: Namely a diode with a resistance in series parallel to a capacitor with a resistance. My guess would just be, that the behaviour is voltage dependent. E.g. for low voltages it is obviously a capacitor. For high voltages it is a resistor and in between probably acts like a diode, if the E-field is inhomogeneous. this is at least my current hypothesis.


@Don:
Thanks for the comment. As I looked again at the pic, I realized my mistake immediately. Let's blame this due to the fact, that it was very early in the morning, when I looked at it...
The big ones definitely look like the rectified AC. But honestly, this pic arises more questions than it answers.
One thing is obvious. The frequency of the coils is definitely quite higher than the 120Hz of the rectified AC. This at least answers one question for me, for I was quite astonished how he could get such a low resonance frequency with just such a small coil, with not that much windings.
Did you make that PIC? It would be interesting if it was made really with just such a low voltage, or if a 10xprobe has been used.
All in all, this now really started my interest in this "8xA circuit". I will definitely now do some more experiments on it.


@Tony:
Hmm looks like I will have to do some experiments to the diode behaviour of the WFC. But one has to be very cautious in measuring a static condition with a multimeter, for a WFC acts also like a battery. And this can very much alter the measurement if you use low static voltages from a Multimeter. I think only a dynamic measurement could really definitely give the answer under what conditions a WFC starts to behave like a diode.

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Well, it seemed to me not ac anymore when you ground one side.
In my simulations, i see a change on the secondairy side.
I use a resistor and cap as cell in parallel.


Steve

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Kali you are right about the measuring. Static voltage can only be read by special connectionless multimeter... Thats why i'm going to mke my measurements in the university using their probes...


I think that what steve mean is that when the signal is in reference to ground, for say alternating but only from 0 to x volts you will have positive aways in one of the electrodes... (never cross an arbitrary ground)


I think but i'm not sure that puharich was not over unity i cannot say that i'm sorry... he might have done exactly what meyer said but with a different input of energy... so legitimated


I would like to know Tony how is your test going..




BR
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If you watch Puharich's video he says that his system is around 90% or so efficient and by the time everything is put into place on a car of something like that, that the over all systems efficiency will drop to around 70% or so.

Testing has been going pretty good. I just finished wrapping the 6-1 VIC coil, so hopefully I will be doing some testing with that this weekend.

Some stuff I've been looking at for awhile about Stan's coils is that the voltages from each choke, L1 & l2, are opposite to each other like say +1kv and -1kv. With this being said the currents will be 180 degrees out of phase. These out of phase currents are being sent to the same load so therefore the total current will be the difference of the two. for example, L1 = +1kv @ 200mA and L2 = -1kv @ 210mA, the current & voltage totals will be 2kv @ 10mA. The current difference would be to current leakage. This would explain how Stan was able to allow high voltages at very low currents in a "dead short" condition. It would also explain why Stan wrapped the chokes bifilar in the 6-1 coil to reduce the current leakage. This is just my thoughts and theories on what Stan was doing. What do you guys think?

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Kali,
I didn't take that picture but I was there when it was taken.I also wasn't doing the adjusting of it either.At the low voltage you see in the picture of the scope shot,it looks the same way at 80 volts across the cell.Those 120 hz pulses just grow with voltage increase.It would be very hard to see any resonance with this set up.The only resonance you might get will be with the higher frequencies,and since their riding on top of the 120 hz,I don't know what they would look like.
Don

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Tony i highly recommend to you reading all my last posts.


And possibly the all new thread too.


You are in the right way but you are not yet there. Yes the currents will go in opposite directions. The thing is that both cols will have a positive on its extremity going to the water. Therefore the voltage between the tubes is actually not very high initially but will be very high in relation to the ground reference. The thing is that the resonating coil, having impedance will restrict the current making the (plastic) capacitor to get charged, than after the pulse ends the plastic discharge into the water thru the coil generating the second pulse. When this second pulse happens the polarity changes and the " negative tube than become negative. And thats why the current get 180° out of phase.


The capacitor have an negative impedance therefore it charges instead of letting the current flow thru the coil.


you see?


Basically he puts two positives inside the water but than one of the positives flips and become negative!