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##### Stanley Meyers Top Secrets V1
« on: March 19, 2010, 12:07:04 pm »
I can't sleep, So I will take this time to write a small tutorial on what should be looked at, and what should not.

I would like to start off by saying, Completely forget about the wfc for now, As you have noticed this is Volume 1 here that I am discussing. In this volume there's no voltage potential, With that said, Let me stamp this here real Clear.

Volume One, (This Tutorial) Is not in any way related to voltage potential.
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Without going into Deep detail, And for good cause due to my time limit take what I say and research it if you are not familiar with what i'm about to say.

The basic background in any shop, workshop containing 3 phase electricity is basically done using a 3 phase (motor.) We call these motors Generators, They are not generators until they're made to generate. With that said, We are talking about a 3 phase Motor.

In Shops, Such motors are used. The Goal is to gain 3 phase electricity where it is not available. The instructions are as followed.

1. Start the 3 phase generator with a small 3/4 HP starter motor.
2. Wait 1 minute, This ensures the 3 phase Motor reaches the desired RPM.
3. Some shops argue over 3k rpm's and 1800 rpms. For the fuel cell, 3k rpms I feel is a better choice.
4. Once the desired Speed is Met! Switch the 230 volts on,, Switch the Starter motor to OFF.

5. The 230 volts is Single phase directly from your Breaker Box. The 230 is connected to the 3 phase motor after it has reached its desired RPM. The starter motor is switched off.

When you Consume Power from this 3 phase Generator, Yes, Now its not a motor its a generator, The power Drawn will be from the 230 volt Mains,, (Your Breaker box.) BUT, the 3 phase generator Generates a (Third Leg.) -- (Which is The main reason for designing this setup,) Shops Needs 3 phase at times,,, And this is how you get it!

So you learned that you consumed power from your breaker box, But you also created a 3rd leg, The power from the mains going to the 3 phase generator keeps the gen at (Self Spin.) Even when a Load is applied the starter motor is never on, (It is ONLY used to gain the Rpm, once thats met its switched off and the mains is switched on, The mains Power this generator.)

It is Recommended By me, To any (Ace) that is obligated and determined to work on water fuel cells do do as follows. I stated in other post how stan ran his bug on a real setup using a rediline gen, and a 3 phase gen. I am stating here what you need to be doing in order to take this a Step further.

1. Get you a good 12 volt power source.
2. Get you a DC to AC inverter, A good Brand.
3. Get you a Very Small,, 3 Phase MOTOR
4. Have someone show you how to connect the Mains from the inverter to this small 3 phase motor.
5. Find a Means for a Starter Motor, Ask someone at a shop how to (Gear this.)
6. Design you a Small setup, Your goal is to get it to work as a Miniture version of what stan had.

Assuming you have a Nice Cute Sweet Sexy little setup, The smaller the better, (This Is Just to teach you.) This setup will SHOW you what is what, and how this and that works.

Turn the Starter motor on, Build up RPM, Turn Mains ON, Turn Starter motor OFF. You should Now have 3 Phase AC outputting from the 3 phase Gen.

Bridge this. The fuel cell is Less important, You're learning, Not running a car.

(Install this on your car) Think about what you did. Use a DC starter motor if you like, its only on for like 30 seconds.  (Never Do parallel setups) Never use KOH. This is a Gas On demand System, Pressure is not related.

When you realize what you did, you will then realize that you can go much bigger. Now you have a Very small setup to look at, You have a Starter motor, a 3 phase generator generating a 3rd leg, Power inverter from your battery, And LAST, you have a Fuel cell.

The Mega setup works with a Series of plates at a high voltage, This is a am consuming process which causes the series of plates to generate a gas, Heat and steam. This son, is the Boiler Plate configeration that stan used.

I would be very happy to see someone post the photo of this 3 phase gen as it sits on stans car, (its out there.) If you find it post it here.

Remember, Keep the setup as small as you can, (you're only constructing it to learn.) Not to actually run a car (YET.)

Talk around, See if you can use a 120 volt inverter instead of a 230, the smaller the better, and the cheaper. When all is said in done, you will have a goal of a 230 volt inverter, a Much bigger 3 phase generator, a bigger brige, and a series plate cell that will run you about 600 dollars. So Start Small and work your way up once you understand how the boiler plate setup worked.

You may ask yourself how I know this, Or if i'm pulling your leg.. I most certainly am not! Notice I stated this to be V1, If I decide to make a second volume, It will probably be about voltage potential.

This setup is a Powerplant on wheels when fully constructed, There is no worry of Massive electricity, The only electricity you need is the electricity used to power the inverter. The inverter will do the rest! With such a small setup you will realize really fast how simple this is.

Feel Free to check out electric vehicle 3 phase motors. Go get you a small motor to start out with,, and remember, Ask someone at a shop thats done it how to hook the mains to the 3 phase gen, Its not common sense and someone will indeed have to show you which phases to hook your mains too. Tell them you're working on an experiment of a very small setup, don't mention the wfc or the'll probably cold shoulder you. Tell them you are experimenting, And try to go with a low voltage system 120v if you can. If you want to make it more easier on yourself;

use the mains from your home, or shop, and completely forget about the inverter, understand it first, add it later. So basically all you need is a 3 phase gen and starter motor, and bridge. And a serice cell to play with. You want to construct your fuel cell, even if it is 2 plates, with a gap that (Satisfys the gen.) Don't try and satisfy the fuel cell, or you will have regulating problems, And that is unnecessary.

And NOTICE, This setup may be small, (But your first Mistake WILL BE YOUR LAST.) This setup WILL KILL YOU. Don't Touch this unless you're Most certainly Sure you know what you're doing. I assume the persone reading this is a Professional, and has good backgrounds in working with electricity. I Will not be held responsible for any damages done to you or anything else.

By Using this text as a Guide You digitally agree that I am not responsible, If you Do not agree to the Above, Leave this Thread Immediately. This is Dangerous, If you don't know what you're doing, Please Leave this thread now, And do not come back until you have worked around Main voltages, and become and expert.

This is Not a Game!!!!!! This Could be your life if you choose to continue construction without the proper knowledge. 3 Phase is just pure nasty!!!!! and you will not get a second chance!

I aim to delete this thread in a few days, I will not leave this thread up long, It will be gone soon.
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##### Re: Stanley Meyers Top Secrets V1
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2010, 01:23:59 am »
don't overlook the p

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##### Re: Stanley Meyers Top Secrets V1
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2010, 14:42:49 pm »

Won't you eventually have to use capacitors, to even out the 3 phases, to have the same voltage  on each leg   You have to do that to use the "generator" as a motor
As you stated, there are many home shops doing this, to use older machines that have 3 phase motors.

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##### Re: Stanley Meyers Top Secrets V1
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2010, 02:36:26 am »

Won't you eventually have to use capacitors, to even out the 3 phases, to have the same voltage  on each leg   You have to do that to use the "generator" as a motor
As you stated, there are many home shops doing this, to use older machines that have 3 phase motors.

One would "Want" 3 phase power in their shops. Why? You can Purchase "3 phase Motors" Cheaper than you can purchase single phase motors. Why? Not everyone has the privilege of using a 3 phase motor, (They have to settle with 220v single phase.)

If you create 3 phase in your shop, (Your Tools will be cheaper.)

A 3 phase motor designed to run on 3 phase doesn't have a capacitor to the best of my knowledge, It seems to me You're (Confusing) a single phase motor containing a capacitor with a 3 phase motor thats not designed for a capacitor.

Find a Motor that (Runs on 3 phase) NOT single phase, Turn this into a 3 phase generator with a single phase power source, This will then be a 3 phase,, (Power source.)

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##### Re: Stanley Meyers Top Secrets V1
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2010, 13:40:09 pm »

OK. You are talking about "Mains" powered. I was referring to portable, as in, using it to run your car setup.  Sorry for getting ahead of you.

"By adding capacitors in parallel with the motor power leads, and driving it a little above the nameplate RPM, (1725 RPM ones need to turn at approximately 1875 RPM, and 3450 RPM ones at 3700 RPM) the motor will generate AC voltage! The capacitance helps to induce currents into the rotor conductors and causes it to produce AC current. The power is taken off of the motor power leads, or the capacitor leads, since they are all in parallel.

This system depends upon residual magnetism in the rotor to start generating. Almost all the motors I've tried begin generating just fine on their own, with the appropriate capacitor connected of course! If it doesn't start generating, try speeding the motor up. That will usually get it going. However, it is extremely rare to find one that doesn't start.

If a motor doesn't start generating on the very first try, then apply 120 vac or even 12 or more volts DC to the motor for a few seconds. That will usually work to magnetize the rotor and your generator will start by itself from then on.

It is important to not shut the generator down with a load connected to it. This tends to demagnetize the rotor and can cause it to not self-energize. That is, the motor will turn, but it will not produce voltage. It is not a serious problem since the rotor can be remagnetized by following the instructions in the paragraph above."

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##### Re: Stanley Meyers Top Secrets V1
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2010, 17:16:10 pm »
I was thinking about the source motor or generator needed to do this.
Thinking the best approach would be an alternator.
Unless you can start with a good 3 phase you will not have an effective system meaning it will be an inefficient generator motor and thats like a waste of power.

Here's an interesting link that tells a little.
It would be nice to find some more helpfull links and information, but that seems real hard to come by.
http://www.nojolt.com/how-to-build-a-rotary-phase-converter.shtml

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##### Re: Stanley Meyers Top Secrets V1
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2010, 23:59:29 pm »
I was thinking about the source motor or generator needed to do this.
Thinking the best approach would be an alternator.
Unless you can start with a good 3 phase you will not have an effective system meaning it will be an inefficient generator motor and thats like a waste of power.

Here's an interesting link that tells a little.
It would be nice to find some more helpfull links and information, but that seems real hard to come by.
http://www.nojolt.com/how-to-build-a-rotary-phase-converter.shtml

you cant send power to an alternator and make it perform as a 3 phase motor would, use a 3 phase motor. The alternator is used to supply the 3 phase motor with single phase, which is usually provided by the inverter.

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##### Re: Stanley Meyers Top Secrets V1
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2010, 05:59:13 am »
Check this out...

http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1201.msg12676.html#msg12676

I posted this information 6 months ago.

And yet, Here I am repeating myself, Much like the liquid flame instructions I just posted this week, That I also posted over 1 year ago.