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##### Re: Working resonance circuit
« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2009, 13:20:23 pm »
how would there be any resonance in steve's circuit? which impedances would match? i calculated it through a few times, always without plausible results.

XL of the left path == (XL + Xc) of the right path?
that's never the case

i got resonance at 138khz...

If you use the simulator and the settings as i have posted here above, then you will see tru resonance accoording all math.

Keep in mind that the tubes are acting as somekind of slow acting resistors.
Watch you wfc. How much time does it cost, before you see gas?
At least 3 seconds..!

Steve

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« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2009, 18:13:17 pm »
Steve ,  you should try my pwm  for your experiments .

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« Reply #42 on: December 17, 2009, 11:36:20 am »
Steve ,  you should try my pwm  for your experiments .

Well, just send one over...
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« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2009, 17:14:56 pm »
New concept.
Mucho gain here....because of resonance
Just keep the current flowing between coil and capacitor and when the leakage takes away the charge, then hit it again with a puls...

Steve

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w 416 304 416 352 0
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R 240 336 240 224 0 2 40.0 36.0 0.0 0.0 0.15
w 352 64 304 64 0
g 304 64 256 64 0
r 464 96 512 96 0 0.5
r 416 352 464 352 0 0.5
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o 20 64 0 35 0.078125 0.2 0 -1
o 21 64 0 35 0.15625 0.2 0 -1

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« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2009, 08:27:18 am »
steve,

as i sit here and ponder on your circuit it brings me to similarities of past ideas on the operation of 6-1 coil...     the mosfet thats controling the choke i think is  also controlling primarys negative side in 6-1 both conected to same mosfet... he refers to it as signal 49a-49n... he mentions it as a signal in primary and then shows in diagrams that signal 49a-49n is electrically connected to one of the chokes...  it makes me think its how he could of had the system in a resonance meaning chokes and primary on same freq???

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« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2009, 10:51:51 am »
steve,

as i sit here and ponder on your circuit it brings me to similarities of past ideas on the operation of 6-1 coil...     the mosfet thats controling the choke i think is  also controlling primarys negative side in 6-1 both conected to same mosfet... he refers to it as signal 49a-49n... he mentions it as a signal in primary and then shows in diagrams that signal 49a-49n is electrically connected to one of the chokes...  it makes me think its how he could of had the system in a resonance meaning chokes and primary on same freq???

Hi Outlaw,

Can you post a pic of the text where you have read that?

Steve

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##### Re: Working resonance circuit; inductive kickback resonance
« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2009, 13:11:11 pm »
Resonance from inductive kickback.....

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w 288 240 240 240 0
s 176 240 240 240 0 1 false
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w 176 240 176 272 0
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l 128 64 288 64 0 1.0 -5.222308521471173E-14
d 384 96 384 144 1 0.805904783
d 336 144 336 96 1 0.805904783
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w 336 144 336 176 0
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« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2009, 16:03:43 pm »
Cell Driver Circuit (90)
In either case, the resultant or varied pulse train (47a xxx 47n) (calibration of 44a xxx 44n)becomes incoming gated pulse signal (48) of figure (3-5) to cell driver circuit (90) of Figure (3-5)
which performs a switching function by switching "off' and "on" electric ground being applied to opposite side (48) of primary coil (26) of Figure (3-19). The resultant pulse wave form (49a xxx 49n) of Figure (3-18) superimposed onto primary coil (26) is exact duplicate of proportional pulse train (47a xxx 47n). However, each pulse train (47) (49) are electrically isolated from each other. Only voltagecross-over from regulated power supply (150) of Figure (3-6) to battery supply (28) occurs, asillustrated in Figure (3-6).

i think we can say that 44a xxx 44n is the signal coming from the pulse generator
while the signal being created in the primary coil becomes identified as 49a xxx 49n
i would say that the reason (47) and (49) are isolated due to optocoupler..

this explains the pulse generators function..
Gated Pulse Frequency generator (80)
Gated Pulse Circuit (80) of Figure (3-5) switches "off' and "on" sections of incoming clock
signal (42) to form gated pulse (45) which is, in turn, duplicated in succession to produce gated pulsetrain (46a xxx 46n) of Figure (3-17). Together pulse train (44a xxx 44n) and pulse offtime (43) forms gated pulse duty cycle(45). Pulse train (44a xxx 44n) is exactly the same as pulse train (41a xxx 41n)and its established pulse frequency (number of pulse cycles per unit of time) changes uniformly when pulse generator (70) of Figure (3-5) is calibrated and adjusted for system operations.Newly formed gated duty pulse (45) is proportional to the physical change in pulse train (44axxx 44n) when circuit (80) is adjusted for calibration purposes. Pulse train (44a xxx 44n) becomes widen while pulse off-time width (43) becomes smaller, simultaneously. Conversely, opposite pulse shaping occurs when circuit (80) of Figure (3-5) is calibrated in reverse order.

now after reading the explanations of 49a xxx 49n look at all the drawings of the chokes down in optical thermal lens and see what signal he in incorperating to the choke..
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