My thoughts on the Meyers effect

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Donald,there wasn't any cells there with the leds.Those would have been nice to see though.

Steve,the demo cell where he says that 5 volts,is what he's putting to the stator.What's coming out of the alternator could be something even higher.

That's like my cell,I'm putting in 12 volts at170 milli amps,but I'm hitting 2k volts across the water gap.But my voltage is swinging from positive to negetive,for a total of 4k volts.So its not doing the pulling work yet.I'll go more into my set up later,in another topic.
Don

PS:most of the previous post will be deleted because their going off topic.

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Don,

I have worked with pwm's and bifcoils, like Stan showed.
I have seen the amp inhibiting effect.
However...
When i had around 100V across my tube with some milli amps, i could only make 1 conclusion and that was that the production of gas was equal to 5V at some milli amps.
The question is:
If volts works accoording to Stans setup with that variac, PWM and bifcoil, How high in voltage should we go then?
Stan used a 110V variac, followed by a pwm and a bifcoil and his variable platecell.
Lets say, he ran that on 10khz. (i have made that pwm board of him too)
He tuned his bifcoil, or he tuned his pwm on the best amp inhibiting frequency...how high would his voltage have been?

I propably make a mistake here in my reasoning.....

Steve

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Steve,alot of the things I say are how I understand them to work based on how Stan expains them.And from my own testing.

We still need to remember that this cell is not a resonant cell.There is only one resonant cell.

The plate cell was the next step in trying to get even higher voltage to the PLATES!! Not to the water.It's voltage on the plates that are pulling on the water molecule.

The controller for this set up was meant to reproduce the effects from the alternator set up.This set up is the electronic version.As for the variable plates themselves,the were meant to find the best spacing for gas production.

As for how much voltage we should use,I believe that will depend on the type of water we use.This system still pulls amps.But with the choke coils,we are limited to their amp restricting abilities.

When I saw this unit in use,it would pull more amps as the voltage was raised.But you were able to see more voltage than amps than if using straight DC voltage.

The vari-ac used was only rated for 5 amps,so that was the limit for this unit.

Now when this unit was run with distilled water it was able to make more gas than with straight DC. Straight Dc wouldn't even start to make gas.

So my oppinion is that this unit is better than srtaight DC,but thats about it.Again you will never get resonance with this unit.But you can get more voltage with this set up.

Now if your wondering how much voltage we need for the resonance cell,I would say @ 2kv.
Stan states that @ 1kv the water molecule starts to elongate.And in a couple of places he mentions 2kv was needed.

The demo tube cell was first,then the plate cell,them he stumbled across the resonant action while working with varying frequencies.
Don

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Steve,alot of the things I say are how I understand them to work based on how Stan expains them.And from my own testing.

We still need to remember that this cell is not a resonant cell.There is only one resonant cell.

The plate cell was the next step in trying to get even higher voltage to the PLATES!! Not to the water.It's voltage on the plates that are pulling on the water molecule.

The controller for this set up was meant to reproduce the effects from the alternator set up.This set up is the electronic version.As for the variable plates themselves,the were meant to find the best spacing for gas production.

As for how much voltage we should use,I believe that will depend on the type of water we use.This system still pulls amps.But with the choke coils,we are limited to their amp restricting abilities.

When I saw this unit in use,it would pull more amps as the voltage was raised.But you were able to see more voltage than amps than if using straight DC voltage.

The vari-ac used was only rated for 5 amps,so that was the limit for this unit.

Now when this unit was run with distilled water it was able to make more gas than with straight DC. Straight Dc wouldn't even start to make gas.

So my oppinion is that this unit is better than srtaight DC,but thats about it.Again you will never get resonance with this unit.But you can get more voltage with this set up.

Now if your wondering how much voltage we need for the resonance cell,I would say @ 2kv.
Stan states that @ 1kv the water molecule starts to elongate.And in a couple of places he mentions 2kv was needed.

The demo tube cell was first,then the plate cell,them he stumbled across the resonant action while working with varying frequencies.
Don

Thanks Don.
Clear explanation.

So, in your opinion, the resonance cell is the only way to go, for now?

Steve

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Here is my take on the variable spacing plate cell:

He has some information on this cell in at least one of his earlier patents too.

It was a demonstration cell
It was demonstrating the "Electrical Polarization Process"
And It was showing the opposite of electrolysis, in the following ways:

By adjusting spacing: you change the electric field strength which is measured in volts/meter, so by reducing the distance, you increase the electric field strength, which shows it is actually voltage doing the work. If you were to change the plate spacing in an electrolysis cell it would do anything at all, because it is amp dependent, not voltage dependent.

This proves it is working like a capacitor, with the voltage fields.

You have to realize that this is an extremely important thing to prove and demonstrate! When everyone around him thinks ... oh he's just doing electrolysis, and then you can vary the gas production by adjusting the spacing alone, it proves it's not electrolysis!

This also varies the capacitance, so I might wonder if you had a variable frequency, and fixed inductance, you might be able to find resonance with this cell by adjusting the capacitance, but maybe you could not maintain electrical resonance to any useful degree? you might just be able to bump into it as you adjust the spacing or frequency. Don says it wasn't a resonant cell, but I still wonder if this was able to resonate just a little bit, which maybe helped him along in his path to the real resonant cell with the phase lock loop.

I have read somewhere, that I can't quite remember where, that this cell was supposedly creating thousands of volts, but after learning about the chokes, with only 50-some turns I dono... you would have to hit resonance to get volts like that. In the same article that said this, it said then he turned on the tubular array which produced even more gas.

I think this cell and setup would be extremely useful for demonstration purposes, which is what he used it for. But it wont produce enough gas to save the world, it might not even give more hydrogen per watt than normal electrolysis, BUT it proves it's different science!

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Don, have you seen any of these cells?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Resonantcavity3.jpg)

I have been trying to think how these work, these must be the resonant cells like you mentioned?

Do you know any physical details about the components and function?

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Donaldwfc,There wasn't any of those cells there to see.Theses cells are for ionizing the gasses that come out of the wfc.These units are to take the gasses to a higher energy level.Not used for water,only gasses.
Don

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Imagine this guys, instead of +1000 volts and -1000 volts, say you have +996 volts, and -992 volts

This is how you can read it:

1. Ground to Positive Plate = +996 volts
2. Ground to Negative Plate = -992 volts
3. Positive Plate to Negative Plate = +4 volts
4. Absolute Voltage (I believe this is un-measurable by any direct connection method, i may be wrong) = 996 + 992 = 1988 volts

Now because we have 4 volts when we measure the 3rd way, this is where we use the tunable bottom choke, to tune the voltage exactly equal and opposite

I'm sorry if this does not fit in your line of thoughts anymore, just needed to make it clear.

If you have ground potential, and +1000V on one plate, -1000V on the other plate. When you connect a voltmeter to the +1000V plate and to ground it will show +1000V obviously. If you connect it to to the positive plate and to the negative plate, it won't show 0V but 2000V. There is no +- potential alone. Only when you measure it against something. The -1000V will become ground/0V and the difference between 1000V and -1000V is 1000V-(-1000V)=2000V Having ground on one site and 2000V on the other is the same as 1000V and -1000V.