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Sebosfato / Re: Retry N1001
« Last post by Hidden on August 28, 2018, 03:06:46 am »
yes  i remember too!

hope he come up with some comments on this too!

i did some drawings of a circuit to get the atoms ionized hopefully by this impact ionization

the first state uses a negative source with the idea of getting the oxygen atoms negatively charged in a way that it can be accelerated towards a electrode at high positive voltage...

this will cause many collisions with other non ionized air in the middle and get it ionized liberating electrons, also this electrons will form other ions and other collisions in the way to the positive electrode... when it get to the positive electrode the oxygen will lose maybe up to four electrons and the atoms also will get unstable... the positive electrode is a screen of stainless stell so the electrons will get discharged and the gas pass high positively charged. afted this stage we get a bunch of ions of one polarity and they can be accelerated again now with more power since they are more ionized and now they can be accelerated with higher force!

i believe electrodes  must be kept small in size to have the gas more strongly ionized...

the mean free path, that is, the minimum piece of way the atoms can be accelerated before they hit another atom and lose its energy or part of its energy, is small in air at normal pressure, therefore a vacuum helps a lot increasing the mean free path and the energy of the collisions...

in air the mean free path at sea level is around 40nm only... this mean that the atoms will travel 40nm to collide..

that mean that only the particles within 40nm of the positive plate will hit the positive plate...

well there is two ways of increasing the energy of particles in a linear or oscillatory way..

perhaps the whole deal is to get some molecules really exited and just that.. they perhaps can have a life span more than few miliseconds and all and be usefull

to do that as become obvious some vacuum would help increase the mean free path at the expenditure of some energy

however meyer stated that under laboratory condition 1 galon of water has the same amount of energy of 2,5 bilion barrels of oil

so converting mass into energy directly

genius

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Sebosfato / Re: Retry N1001
« Last post by Hidden on August 27, 2018, 02:14:56 am »

dont forget there is a resident high voltage guy on this forum who shows up now and then and shares his plasma experiments


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Sebosfato / 4 cycle 4 cylinder
« Last post by Hidden on August 25, 2018, 20:12:38 pm »
a 4 cycle 4 cyclinder engine works by having one explosion every half turn of the crankshaft

therefor the distributor was sending 4 signals in sequence for each cylinder and

probably the air and exhaust gas used other two injectors to control the amount to inject

the
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Sebosfato / THE GMS start
« Last post by Hidden on August 25, 2018, 17:46:51 pm »
this is the gms very first start it has a kind of automatic handling of the injector timing to reach the rpm we set by the analog/digital accelerator

still missing linking the acceleration with the max time of the injector but already would work with one injector
missing the output for the other solenoids for air and exhaust

i guess the order for injection should be first air than hydrogen than exhaust or reverse this way there is aways air or exhaust on the line between the hydrogen output making it safe for not having back fire in the cell  (for the case of using the 3 injectors design)

i´m using an analog input interrupt as the rpm counter and the injector triger goes into the digital interrupt (the analog interrupts dont interrupts the external interrupts digital pin one and 2)

there are two ranges of adaption when you change the rpm one that is faster when the difference in rpm is greater than 50 rpm and one that is fine when the rpm is within 5 rpm difference... (it will always happen some difference)

i had to reintegrate the timer to use the millis to better count the rpm but its ok because its working very nicely now since appears that as the signal trigger to the injector comes from the interrupt it dont have any delays or inconsistency in the pulse!

it turns out that if i want to use the arduino nano it will require a safe logic to determine each injector will be firing

the nano having only two interrups can deal only with two injectors trigger directly for more only adding logics

an arduino mega has 4 interrupts  or esp 32 could do everything we want and probably faster

i have a few spare and i plan to get a code for it too as esp32 have as many interrupt as needed

the only side effect is that is 3,3v logic so it require some resistors to work safe with 5 volts logic basically or those level converters not by far a problem
 the esp 32 is multicore aparently too


so as you see i´m doing some advance on the GMS

whos gona test? i dont have a working engine.. nor money to get injectors or other stuff (trying to work on that but is not being easy and probably if the money come my time will go because i´m probably starting a new company that deals with refrigeration systems , when i get funds it will explode! but my investors certainly wont let me work anyelse project for while so i´m focusing now)

if some of you could maybe do a nice donations i could get some of the parts and try doing the tests needed, now i´m 33 and after 13 years working on this i got a lot of energy and knowledge from this time spend but at the same time i didnt focused in making money consistently so at this point of my life i have no money spare.. all i have is a fiat uno 2003 lend from my dad, my test equipments, and work on the streets selling homemade beer to live... also fix some equiments and do some other jobs that appears but is hard getting the end of the month, if werent for my parents surely i could not be here today writing this now. So if any of you feel the value of what we are constructing here, the knowledge that we are developing here feel free to help and be an active part on this at this very special moment because i still have energy and yet time to invest. All this components i have here to work with except for the ones 2 or 3 people send to me i got over the years at the moments that i had some money spare so i converted to components spare becuase i know that when i didnt have the money because spend elsewhere i would not be able to do anything latter with no components.

the link for the donations is in thru this pages and i wont be repeating it everywhere first to not get the risk of losing what i write eventually because there are certain links that simply make everything i wrote disappear and to not disturb the discussion. So if you please want to donate go back thru this pages, read the content and if you feel you can please help... every dollar or euro is more than 4 reais.... and everything we buy from outside here cost up to 4 times what cost for you there not taking account the conversion! So if you want to send me injectors, or whatever you have that you feel it could help me just give me a message and  i send you the address coordinates for the mail.


unsigned long newtime=0;

// inputs

int accel = A0;   // analog/digital accelerator signal
int pressure = A1;
int clocksignal = 3; // //input interrupt 1 / pin 3
int injector = 13;  // injector output
int rpmreadpin= A2;

unsigned int rpmread = 0;
int rpmset = 0; // rpm determined by analog/digital accelerator
String state;

float injectiontime = 5; //ms  injection timming
float timeincrement = 0.001;
float timedecrement = 0.001;
int mininjectiontime = 1;
float maxinjectiontime=10;
int maxrpmset=6000;
int minrpmset=1000;
int stable=50;
int finestable=5;
float finetimeincrement = 0.00001;
float finetimedecrement = 0.00001;

volatile unsigned int newPos;
volatile unsigned int count=0; // analog2 interrupt rotine counter rpm read signal
bool rpmstate=0;
bool lastrpmstate=1;

volatile int clockcount;
int lastclockcount;

int avecount;
int average1;
int average2;
int average3;
int average4;


void setup() {
  DDRB |= 0B00100000;  // pinMode(injector, OUTPUT); pin 13
  Serial.begin(9600);
  pinMode(clocksignal, INPUT_PULLUP);//d3
  pinMode(rpmreadpin, INPUT);//A2

//cli();
//TIMSK0 &= ~(1 << TOIE0);  // disble timer
//sei();

PCICR |= (1 << PCIE1);    // This enables Pin Change Interrupt 1 that covers the Analog input pins or Port C.
PCMSK1 |= (1 << PCINT10) | (1 << PCINT11);  // This enables the interrupt for pin 2 and 3 of Port C.

attachInterrupt(1, INJECTION, RISING);
  }

ISR(PCINT1_vect) {
count++;
}

void loop() {
 rpmset=constrain((analogRead(accel)*6),minrpmset ,maxrpmset);   // rpm determined by analog/digital accelerator

 if (rpmset > (rpmread + stable)) {
  state="Accelerating" ;  // injection time increase
  injectiontime=constrain((injectiontime+timeincrement),1,10);
  } else if ( rpmset < (rpmread-stable)) {
  state="Deaccelerating"; // injection time reduce
  injectiontime=constrain((injectiontime-timedecrement),mininjectiontime,maxinjectiontime); 
  } else {
    state="Stable";
    if (rpmset > (rpmread + finestable)) {
  state="fineAccelerating" ;  // injection time increase
  injectiontime=constrain((injectiontime+timeincrement),1,10);
  } else if ( rpmset < (rpmread-finestable)) {
  state="fineDeaccelerating"; // injection time reduce
  injectiontime=constrain((injectiontime-timedecrement),mininjectiontime,maxinjectiontime);
  }

  }
if (millis() > newtime+500 ){
  newtime=millis();
   rpmread=count*12;
avecount++;
if (avecount == 1)average1=rpmread;
if (avecount == 2 )average2=rpmread;
if (avecount == 3 )average3=rpmread;
if (avecount == 4 ){
  average4=rpmread;
  avecount=0;
}
rpmread=(average1+average2+average3+average4)/4;
printcallback() ;
count=0;
}
}

void INJECTION() {  //interrupt routine
   PORTB |= 0B00100000;   //digitalWrite(injector, HIGH);
   delayMicroseconds(injectiontime*1000);
   PORTB &= 0B11011111;   // digitalWrite(injector, LOW);

}
void printcallback() {
 Serial.print("Accelerator  ");
Serial.print(rpmset);
Serial.println(" RPM SET");
Serial.print("Injection Time ");
Serial.print(injectiontime);
//Serial.print(injectiontime);
Serial.println(" miliseconds");
Serial.print(rpmread);
Serial.println(" RPM Measured ");
Serial.println(state);
}
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Sebosfato / Re: Retry N1001
« Last post by Hidden on August 25, 2018, 04:21:05 am »
i´m doing some tests with the arduino gms system with the oscilloscope

it appears that it can be indeed useful for this task

it would require someone with better knowledge on how to access the ports and programing than me but i guess i will be able to create a simple system that will be simply improved with someone with knowledge on programing

i think i understood why meyer aways talk about the hydrogen speed can reach the burning speed of gasoline...

the cars have an advance in spark that is related to the time the gas will have to burn entirely for reaching most pressure on the point of most compression

if we send a too fast burning gas it will work on making harder for the piston to go up,,

i think the idea than would be to kind of *  the spark for working with a hydrogen mixture with no slow burn

have to think over it

back to the gms stuff

i designed a  3 state acceleration process

one state is accelerating of course

other state is stable

and other is deaccelerating

its detected by pressing the pedal... this sets the rpm as desired

the system than measure the rpm and compare with the set rpm and depending on the difference it define the state

if the state is accelerating every cycle it increase by an amount the injection time within a range determined by the differences in the rpm

when the rpm measured reach the set rpm it start to oscillate the injector time up or down depending on the difference of the readings to match exactly the rpm set



 


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Sebosfato / Re: Retry N1001
« Last post by Hidden on August 24, 2018, 09:21:15 am »

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Sebosfato / other ways of ionizing
« Last post by Hidden on August 24, 2018, 02:24:47 am »
there are a few other ways of ionizing molecules

one of them is the process of accelerating them with voltage to strike a target... to start with the initial voltage must ionize some molecules that are going to be attracted to a next plat where it colide and get ionized to a higher degree

the way of doing this with the oxygen could be a arrangement of ss screen where the gas come out of and it

than we must have other two electrodes one for the initial ionization and one for the impact ionization the one of the initial ionization can float only negatively by action of one diode and the other is above the second voltage level to give acceleration for the impact that goes thru another diode allowing only positive charges

the action than occur when the atoms negatively ionized arrive at the target as they are going to have a lot of accumulated energy due to the applied voltage than when they strike the metal the electrons can go elsewhere if we let a another diode connected to ground for example. a current will result because will be easier for the electrons to simply go to ground than to discharge thru the charging system because of the high impedance


                       ions output
                      O++++ N+++
L---|>|---/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/----|<|----GND or electron consuming device such as other ionizer
L   D2     ss screen accelerating potential free electrons at impact
L             
L
L                           ^   ^   ^   acceleration force
L   D1              O2--  N2-
L----|<|------/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/  SS SCREEN     NEGATIVE ionize atoms
L
L                                <------------GAS INPUT
L
L______GND


other way to do it  is by a kind of multipacting

where the ionized gas is placed between two electrodes that are both brought to positive potential but there is a a frequency also applied to make the ionized gas bounce back and forth between the electrodes... i gues is the case of the hydrogen gas gun 
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Sebosfato / Re: Retry N1001
« Last post by Hidden on August 23, 2018, 16:57:50 pm »
Hello massive!

what i know about ionization of gases is that you need to have a high electric field to get it to start at the minimum voltage potential possible... normally  needles and very sharp objects are going to give a much higher electric field than a flat plate

and to get further ionized as i explained first the gas must be in a non conductive environment and such as to not loose its charges thru wall or tubing or etc..

and than we need to achieve the best voltage to get it ionized... that is the small as possible and step increase such as to be able to use the current more efficiently at each voltage level

the energy you spend charging a capacitor a volt at a time is half the energy you need to charge the capacitor all in once.. there is even the paradox of the two capacitors discharging into the other where the energy disappear, but in this case the energy lost of the charging a capacitor mostly is lost into heat when charging and discharging ...

the same is for a ionizer because you are going to have a minimum current where it will start to ionize but if you raise the potential to raise the current directly you simply spend more joules for each electron you extract or add!

from what Stanley said it seems apparently that his process consist of ionizing the oxygen positively because this way it will bring the hydrogen into the fracturing process by appropriation of the hydrogens electrons by the oxygen

this tells me that perhaps the hydrogen gas could be ionized with opposite polarity to increase the atraction between the atoms before combustion.. and or the exhaust could carry the charge too

as i was trying to explain in the last post

there is no way to consume electrons in a closed environment so the charge must go somewhere

 

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Sebosfato / Re: Retry N1001
« Last post by Hidden on August 23, 2018, 03:27:45 am »

theres been no analysis of the gas produced in Meyer , Horvath , Puharich  inventions .
 
is the gas positive , negative or neutral charge ?
and how did it get that way ?

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Sebosfato / Re: transporting ionized gas
« Last post by Hidden on August 21, 2018, 15:42:48 pm »
transporting ionized gas is the same as run with a bucket full of water in your hands.. you will get wet

the ionized gas will be attracted by any metal or even plastic by the electronic polarization, at plastics it will get stuck and only partially discharged but with metals it lose its charge...

so the strategy is to have a very well insulated tubing that brings all the ionized gas straight into the combustion chamber.. silicon tubing seems a good option since stand high temps

also the injector must have a high voltage isolation from the car parts

when you charge something with high voltage it will have the opposite charge of the voltage you charged it with but it can even create higher voltages if this charges are collected at a point..

i think the injector should be totally plastic solenoid.. for it to work,,  perhaps costume made


Interesting stuff
Never thought on that one..

stan himself said that if the charged gas pass inside a metal tube it will give of its charge to it charging the object to a voltage that it will not be able to further discharge if its not grounded...

how fast this occur i cannot tell but i guess is pretty much in the milliseconds or even microsecond range if not nicely insulated

stan solenoids seems covered in delrin excessively by the way!

every time i think about this i start thinking if there is no possibility of using this process of flowing ionized gas to generate electricity and i posted recently some patents that explain how to do with different size electrodes and plasma etc

and other that come in mind is the kelvin thunderstorm arrangement!

Meyer had the air reclaiming system in the tech brief telling he would process the output exhaust too so perhaps one way to get away with the electrons and still have the pump efect of the engine runing let him pull aways the electrons extracted

if we extract something we need to put it somewhere

electrons cannot be stored simply in a box or capacitor without their counterparts the holes (or absence of electrons) positive charges

the car would get charged with this electrons relative to ground and you get all this discharge on you when you get out of the car.

so for real if we want to do this with safety or we bring them to ground directly or find a way to create a negative ionizer to disperse them away as effectively as possible

it could be simply possible also that stan gave this negative charge to the non combustible gases or the air in the air processor to get into the reaction and have a neutral reaction

however if you think about this is possible even to create or favoring other reactions like with nitrogen, carbon dioxide, present in air etc

i was going to bed yeterday when i had the thought .. what is the signal of the lambda sensor be like

after all it is a oxygen sensor right? and if we use only hydrogen and oxygen from water already in the correct proportion it should not consume more oxygen from air... however nitrogen oxides may be formed too and this can be the non combustible gases

so the lambda sensor may be useful to determine the amount of non combustible gas in the non combustible gas line and this may have an effect on the non combustible gas solenoid timing and the air timing

to make the complete car we will probably need

air pump
water pump
3 solenoids
silicone tubing or something with good insulation like teflon or those new plastic with rapid connectors seems great for this and handle pressure well
pressure sensors
microcontrolers like arduino to handle the signals
a rotation encoder with 60 ticks or 120 would be very nice to get a better rpm reading precision 
or something that can directly convert the rpm to a analog signal...
also something that could work is the alternator signal perhaps a current feedback with hall sensor near the battery could do it
this would be much easier of course with a car that already have an injection system because we can simply get the signal of one of the injectors or the primary or of the flyback ...
but the rpm reading is something that we still need and must be fast and somehow accurate
a pll can convert the frequency into a voltage signal with easy and this can be converted to the rpm with good precision.. i guess is going to be my best alternative .. for this i will only use a normal pll like the 4046 but would give a lock indicator to it to also control the logics in case of  loose lock..


 
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