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Title: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on August 28, 2009, 10:48:38 am
Can it be done?
How efficient is this?
How does watermols react on such a system?

Please dump here your opinion.

br
Steve
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on August 28, 2009, 14:29:13 pm
i think it's of course possible, but the losses due to the much too high voltage are enormous. it's simple current electrolysis, but both hydrogen and oxygen are produced at the electrodes which is not the case with dc.
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on August 28, 2009, 16:49:44 pm
It seems like this is the next way to go , RF and reactance and all the impedance stuff only happens with AC . I am past the VIC with diode at this point .

This is not what puharich or Stephen was doing .
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on August 28, 2009, 19:37:39 pm
It seems like this is the next way to go , RF and reactance and all the impedance stuff only happens with AC . I am past the VIC with diode at this point .

This is not what puharich or Stephen was doing .
Reactance only happens with not-DC. Not only AC but also pulsed DC obviously. And impedance matching is just optimizing a circuit for minimal losses and maximum power or ruling out waveerrors in cables (reflexion and so on).
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on September 07, 2009, 13:28:21 pm
I have tried to visualise what happens at the interface between the electrodes and water:

For a negative DC electrode:
A water molecule gains an electon from the electrode.
The enables 1 H atom to overcome the electronegativity of the water molicule and split off.
This leaves a neg. OH- ion in contact with the negativly charged plate.
As both are negative the OH- ion is repelled away from the electrode at extremely high speed.
Now there are billions of water molicules in the way, which the ion bumps into.
This causes the the kenetic energy of the ion to be changed into heat in the electrolyte.

Now picture what would happen If the electrode could be changed to positive extremly fast, before the negative ion leaves, or moves too far away:
The negative charge would be stripped off, adding power to the setup.
An extra electron would also be taken away; making a OH+ ion and perhaps splitting it into O and H?

So the question becomes:
How fast does the OH- ion move away from / break contact with, the negative electrode and thus how high does the AC frequency have to be to present a positve surface to said negative ion before this happens?

http://www.emsl.pnl.gov/news/highlights/zhang_weber20090714.pdf (http://www.emsl.pnl.gov/news/highlights/zhang_weber20090714.pdf)

From the link above it would seem that the ion moves away at an initial speed of around 2 million miles
in a minute!?

From this one can deduce that your AC frequency has to be insanely high for you to see any advantages to using AC.

Or perhaps the OH- ion bounces off the closest water molicule at a certain frequency and would then hit the electrode again if it were + at the right time?

 ???

So; whats the highest frequency AC one can produce?
 :)
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on September 07, 2009, 20:27:49 pm
Well in the patent app if those values shown are truthful , Stephen was using 600 hz main freq , but his cell ringing inductive kicks looked like 20 times that or more . It looks a bit like what stevie was having with his chips and what I see with a 555 with an inductive probe .

He uses 3 tubes ,remember , he also mentions something about "crossing the barrier" , he mentionned that in the interview and in the petent , he said what Stan did was figure out "a" way for the electrons to cross the barrier ??? ... I still am studying all his words to the letter .

Something about matching the electrical wavelenght of the electrodes , impedance matching of the water bath ( adaptive rf impedance matching ??) , and ringing effect ... All pretty straightforward from the looks of it lol ... At leats I know what I am hunting

Very touchy and complex eletrical and physical phenomenon but I am up for it , I think I can handle this eletrical stuff .
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on September 07, 2009, 23:13:16 pm
Logic,

How high do you wanna go in frequency?
I think it can go up in ghz if you want to.

Steve
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on September 08, 2009, 05:59:12 am
I have tried to visualise what happens at the interface between the electrodes and water:

For a negative DC electrode:
A water molecule gains an electon from the electrode.
The enables 1 H atom to overcome the electronegativity of the water molicule and split off.
This leaves a neg. OH- ion in contact with the negativly charged plate.
As both are negative the OH- ion is repelled away from the electrode at extremely high speed.
Now there are billions of water molicules in the way, which the ion bumps into.
This causes the the kenetic energy of the ion to be changed into heat in the electrolyte.

Now picture what would happen If the electrode could be changed to positive extremly fast, before the negative ion leaves, or moves too far away:
The negative charge would be stripped off, adding power to the setup.
An extra electron would also be taken away; making a OH+ ion and perhaps splitting it into O and H?

So the question becomes:
How fast does the OH- ion move away from / break contact with, the negative electrode and thus how high does the AC frequency have to be to present a positve surface to said negative ion before this happens?

http://www.emsl.pnl.gov/news/highlights/zhang_weber20090714.pdf (http://www.emsl.pnl.gov/news/highlights/zhang_weber20090714.pdf)

From the link above it would seem that the ion moves away at an initial speed of around 2 million miles
in a minute!?

From this one can deduce that your AC frequency has to be insanely high for you to see any advantages to using AC.

Or perhaps the OH- ion bounces off the closest water molicule at a certain frequency and would then hit the electrode again if it were + at the right time?

 ???

So; whats the highest frequency AC one can produce?
 :)

Stan Meyer referanced a decent patent ... lemme find that and see if it helps  brb
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on September 08, 2009, 06:09:14 am
well it was Prestridge I was thinking about...   I'd say yall done read that anyway being Stan referanced to it, not really to do with ac electrolysis.Horace Heffner done some expieriments with AC electrolysis.Prestidge seemed to play on the works of Cotrell... maybe worth reading his work ??
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on September 08, 2009, 15:18:34 pm
Newguy ,

Around here if you wanna pass on information about a document , you link the document . Better yet , you read the document and take pics of he important quotes you think are relevant and helpful for our research .
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on September 08, 2009, 21:42:02 pm
Newguy ,

Around here if you wanna pass on information about a document , you link the document . Better yet , you read the document and take pics of he important quotes you think are relevant and helpful for our research .

Prestridge was referanced by Stan Meyers,Cottrell was referanced by Prestidge.... I dont have referance links ,sorry Dankie.I also do not have referance links to Horace Heffner sorry Dankie,if I had referance links I would link them but I dont.... sorry Dankie.
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on September 09, 2009, 13:54:40 pm
Logic,

How high do you wanna go in frequency?
I think it can go up in ghz if you want to.

Steve

 :)
Thx Steve, but my post is supposed to be more thought provoking than anything else.
I simply wanted the get people thinking on the microscopic level about what is happening to the water molicules in a cell.

At the moment I have 2 lathes, a milling machine, and a whole lot of other engineering equipment stuffed to the ceiling in a single garage!  So no building or experimenting for me untill I get the stuff ito a big enough premisis.

However:  Let me be the 1st to admit that I know very little about electronics and circuit boards etc.
So any info and diagrams are welcome thx.
 :)
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on December 18, 2009, 19:01:36 pm
I thought this would relative to the topic.

I did an experiment last night since someone told me AC electrolysis doesn't work so I had to prove it to myself using Puharich's patent as a guide (sort of).

I had gotten a low watt inverter circuit to play with a while ago to replace the one that burst into flames previously.  It had a short somewhere in the tubular array I was using.  Poof.

Anyway the circuit came without a center tap transformer.  One wire connects positive and the other 2 wires switch to ground.  I connected the positive to all the outside tubes and one ground wire each to half of the set of inside electrodes. I used one diode after the positive between the inverter and wfc.  It worked but not especially impressively and different coil configurations except for one would trigger a breaker in the circuit.  At least no flames this time.  I'm now considering daisy chaining the pwm that I have inbetween the inverter and the wfc.  Fingers crossed.

Andy
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on December 18, 2009, 22:10:05 pm
I thought this would relative to the topic.

I did an experiment last night since someone told me AC electrolysis doesn't work so I had to prove it to myself using Puharich's patent as a guide (sort of).

I had gotten a low watt inverter circuit to play with a while ago to replace the one that burst into flames previously.  It had a short somewhere in the tubular array I was using.  Poof.

Anyway the circuit came without a center tap transformer.  One wire connects positive and the other 2 wires switch to ground.  I connected the positive to all the outside tubes and one ground wire each to half of the set of inside electrodes. I used one diode after the positive between the inverter and wfc.  It worked but not especially impressively and different coil configurations except for one would trigger a breaker in the circuit.  At least no flames this time.  I'm now considering daisy chaining the pwm that I have inbetween the inverter and the wfc.  Fingers crossed.

Andy

Very good Andy. Keep on testing! I like that very much  :)
Good to hear you control the flames, this time... ;)

About your test, i think it all came back to old electrolysis....
I think the schematic of Puharich canonly work with thaty special ceramic stuff he used on his electrode...


Steve
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on December 18, 2009, 22:50:33 pm
Hi Steve,

I reconfigured everything so center is positive and outer is ground path.  Haven't daisy chained the pwm yet I need some connectors but the inverter circuit is working switching at 60 hz or thereabouts.  Center is charged and 3 of 6 tubes get discharged back and forth in a circular motion.  It's similar to what Dr. Cramton is doing except with one phase instead of 3.  Patrick Kelly updated chapter10.pdf if anyone is interested.  Bifilar coil is connected between the inverter negative switches and outer tubes in parallel if it makes any difference.  I tried it in anti-parallel but the inverter didn't seem to like it.  Watching temperature now.

Regards,
Andy
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on December 19, 2009, 02:59:04 am
Ok temperature climbed from 70F to 100F over around 5 hours.  Interestingly the bifilar coil I was complaining about being hot in Bubz's thread running from a pwm is cool and it's buzzing.  The diode is still hot but not as much; I can keep a finger on it without getting a blister burn.  Tubes are wired parallel so each set of 3 is getting 12-14 volts and switching between the sets at around 60 hz.  I don't see any steam yet.  Production seems less than running with the pwm.

Andy
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on December 19, 2009, 10:16:00 am
if you use more tubes in series to get ~2V at each they won't get hot while getting the same current for electrolysis.
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on December 20, 2009, 03:57:20 am
Hi Haither I have an idea on that which I'd like to try sometime having to do with endothermic electrolysis.  I didn't have much luck previously on stringing tubes in series so I've stuck to parallel wiring for now.

I wasn't able to daisy chain a pwm in the circuit I think I'd need a dc solid state relay.  Been meaning to pick one up for a while.  All in all results have been interesting but not earth shattering no increase in production more or less the same and the usual increase of temperature over time.  Would still like to investigate water circulation in the cell but need a 3/8" pipe tap.  There's about 2 feet of snow on the ground outside so I missed my time window.

Andy
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on December 23, 2009, 22:01:47 pm
Just to update I did manage to wire tubes in series with voltage around 6-7 volts; temperature stabilized from 70F to 90F but production was diminished.  I then tried to run half the tubes via pwm and induce voltage using a bifilar coil but got no induction.  pwm is rated at max 3 khz.  I think that's it.  Happy Holidays to everyone.

Andy
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on December 24, 2009, 22:17:02 pm
I wanted to reacquaint myself with molecular oxygen and came across this in wikipedia's entry:

"Oxygen gas can also be produced through electrolysis of water into molecular oxygen and hydrogen. DC electricity must be used: if AC is used, the gases in each limb consist of hydrogen and oxygen in the explosive ratio 2:1. Contrary to popular belief, the 2:1 ratio observed in the DC electrolysis of acidified water does not prove that the empirical formula of water is H2O unless certain assumptions are made about the molecular formulae of hydrogen and oxygen themselves."

and here I thought use of AC would generate steam.  It may be the wikipedia entry is in error.  I don't know.

The reason I was looking into it was I was wondering where the electrons were coming from in a hydrogen fuel cell when H2 is combined with atmospheric O2.  If 2 molecules of each electrically neutral gas is combined to form 2 molecules of electrically neutral H2O molecule where are the electrons produced coming from?

Andy
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 23, 2010, 06:19:45 am
AC Electrolysis is very possible, what do  you think Stan Meyer's was doing!!!  He used a digital circuit to produce an AC waveform across the WFC.  That's the reason his chokes where connected 180 degrees apart from the cell, so that it would produce an AC output.

-Tony Woodside-
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 23, 2010, 06:58:37 am
Anyone know where i can sign up to get 5 cents for everytime some claims that Stan Meyers was doing something specific???
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 23, 2010, 07:06:43 am
You dont think thats what he was doing? I know what Im talking about here, Im an electronics engineer, what about you?
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 23, 2010, 07:10:30 am
i'm an 8ft3in 900 pound biker with black belts in 7 different martial arts... like everyone else on the internet why?
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 23, 2010, 07:17:43 am
I know for a fact the Stan's system produced an AC type waveform...Ive seen the actual waveform that Stan was making with his pulsing system.  I would share a picture of this waveform, but I cant at this time, maybe sometime later in the future  ;)
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 23, 2010, 07:55:17 am
Hi and welcome mr. Woodhouse,

as you can see , many members tried to replicate meyers setup.
Like you, i am an engineer as well from education.
Of course we are all very curious about any scopeshot of Stan, because nobody seen one.
Do you mean with ac a half rectified waveform or true ac?

regards
Steve
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 23, 2010, 15:56:39 pm
Quote
AC Electrolysis is very possible, what do  you think Stan Meyer's was doing!!!  He used a digital circuit to produce an AC waveform across the WFC.  That's the reason his chokes where connected 180 degrees apart from the cell, so that it would produce an AC output.


i think your sort of right there is a oscillation occuring in the chokes.. but they are being hit with a unipolar pulse (dc pulse)   to ring them    and in some of stans schematics he shows a diode after the choke going to the cell like his rotary vic schematic shows..

the water isnt taking on a ac signal it is getting pulsing dc..  i so not see the cell reversing current if anything staying above one volt with current only being amplified in one direction on a minute level.. during off pulse i dont see the reference of voltage passing 0 in the cell.. so when you say ac to produce gas.. im a bit skeptic..  now stan does using the idea of ac to a degree for the steam resonator.. in that set up stan is using a switching relay to flip flop positive and negative voltage across the plates.. this doesnt disturb the bond and forces a friction on water to heat it up by i think particle impact during switching.
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 23, 2010, 17:20:08 pm
You dont think thats what he was doing? I know what Im talking about here, Im an electronics engineer, what about you?
what about the diode(s)?
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 23, 2010, 18:13:16 pm
TonyWoodside

so you are a electrical engineer.. have you examined meyers complete circuit diagram? i haven't found one with all the componets labeled.. would you not be able figure out the values of the componets and share them?

me my self i would like to be experimenting with that complete circuit and try to lead off from there..

i hate it when people get on forms and say they have some information pertaining to the goal then say they cant share it lol..  its either flaunting or *   lil frustrating minus well of not said it at all lol. not to mention who ever falls into the belief that you are truthful which you may feel that way and really be but you yourself may be mistaken from your perspective of observation then you miss led people and delayed the outcome

could it be a dc offset wave?  a unipolar  wave oscillating from +1 volt to +12?


Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 23, 2010, 21:10:07 pm
Didn't Dynodon share a circuit diagram with component values not too long ago?  I am pretty sure it was from one of Stan's boxes from the Estate for the demo wfc or varialble plate.  I think that's what Donaldwfc is working off of; same circuit that's published in patent and in Independent Evaluation Report. 

Regards,
Andy
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 25, 2010, 01:12:34 am
Dynodon aint doin anymore experiments  ;)

You can forget all about that guy .
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 25, 2010, 01:25:29 am
 I wanna see some information on Tony Wooside's claims on waterfuelcell.org about replicating Stephen Meyers .

It is my gut feeling that this man is not truthfull .

Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 25, 2010, 01:32:03 am
here's a simulation of the circuits I made to replicate these waveforms  http://www.globalkast.com/docs/TonyWoodside%27s_Xogen,Meyer,PuharichWaveform.pdf
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 25, 2010, 04:02:36 am
Well I am a bit dissapointed , I tought you were farther off than simming .

How are you so sure those waveforms result in the efficient fracturing of water ? We have learned with Stan that this wasnt the case time and again .

If this is supposed to be a radiating antenna as Stephen says then there is something we dont understand yet , how to make very high frequencies with low frequencies . And how can we trust the words of Stephen if the patent seems to have been rejected , I do not have an access code to see whats really goin on with that application .

I rest my case

Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 25, 2010, 04:32:38 am
its not hard to get higher frequencies by using lower frequencies. If you know anything about digital electronics you know what I'm talking about here. Just take two frequency generators and use logical IC's. Like for instance take one frequency of 620Hz and OR it with a 630Hz frequency  and you can get frequencies up into the kilohertz range...vary simple. The reason for this is because the two frequencies will overlap at some point and the OR gates output will contain higher frequencies than what is being applied. Just look at the Truth Table for the OR gate.
ex.
A + B = X
0    0    0
0    1    1
1    0    1
1    1    1

That's what the OR gates Truth Table looks like, 0 = low and 1 = high
Also the chokes will act as frequency multipliers depending on the value of the inductor, I've tested this for myself and by applying low frequencies across 10mH inductors I've got frequencies over 100kHz.

-Tony-
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Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 25, 2010, 06:46:21 am
your basing your assumption on an OR gate to "layer"/"combine" 2 frequencies??? an OR gate turns 2 signals into 1 signal by pre determined association. it select 1 OR the other...

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/boolean1.htm

Quote
"The next gate is an OR gate. Its basic idea is, "If A is 1 OR B is 1 (or both are 1), then Q is 1."


OR Gate
A  B  Q 
0  0  0 
0  1  1 
1  0  1 
1  1  1  "
   



nice try though... you want to generate 2 freq. with AC your best bet is the 2x alternator method... Set one freq. with one alternator then your second with the second alternator. Feed the out put of No.1 into Number 2... your output from number 2 is the frequency of number one over the top of number 2...

maybe OR gate to pulse DC voltage but those gates are not very robust compared to relays and MOSFETS...

Not to stamp on your electronic engineering degree...
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 25, 2010, 07:50:06 am
yea I'm talking about pulsed DC here...I figured you would know that by me say "Digital" circuit. AC is analog and digital is discrete or ON and OFF such as pulses.
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 25, 2010, 13:18:52 pm
your basing your assumption on an OR gate to "layer"/"combine" 2 frequencies??? an OR gate turns 2 signals into 1 signal by pre determined association. it select 1 OR the other...
Well it's doing what he said, but if you feed a 620Hz and a 630Hz wave into an OR-gate the duty cycles wouldn't be stable and change over time. But why discuss how to generate HF impulses? There's plenty of possibilities.
The thing is, that Meyer's method is nothing else than electrolysis by current.
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 25, 2010, 16:34:27 pm
Tell me something I dont already know .

I tracked down Stephen Meyers's adress if anybody wanna call him and him about his patent , if he got it or not . Somebody call this guy up .

I have given up Hydrogen untill I have proof that his method works , I am trying a new invention . a RIFE device / laser hydrogen splitter . Maybe I'll investigate the SEC instead or the horvath device at least we got this working .

A 50 khz sinusoidal  3 channel with autolocked  even harmonics that can be phased ( randomly ) and can be frequency keyed (randomly) .

My goal is to simply hit a harmonics of every frequency God has ever made .

Its nasty what I can do now .

Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 26, 2010, 08:18:59 am
Tony Woodside , What circuit sim is that , I am at a loss with multisim , whenever I wish to simulate the VIC circuit on multisim it gives me timesteeoerror , I put my timestep real low and I still get the same error .

Itried to sim a single leg of that Stephen Meyers circuit , same error .

Tony why dont you sim that instead and come back here , you seem to be comfortable with your sim , would be a new thing , that single diode with 2 chokes has been tried out to the point that we can say it dont work .

Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 26, 2010, 08:33:20 am
Single diode with two chokes? Are you referring to Stan's LC circuit? I know in his setup the diode is very important, with out it you wont get high voltages to you cell. I've tested this with my setup. I applied 20V to my primary and pulsed it with a 5V pulse via a 2N3055 transistor and I got 280V out of my transformer. I made my transformer to Stan's specs of 200 wraps on the primary, 600 wraps for the secondary and 100 bifilar turns for my chokes all wound on a single core. Without the diode I only get around 40V out and with the diode I get 280V out. It also depends on which end of your primary is connected to the variable DC voltage and which end is connected to the pulsing.
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 26, 2010, 09:01:06 am
That is not what  I asked but that is nice you built that .

Any good results ? I guess not ...
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 26, 2010, 14:14:13 pm
Dankie try adding a minimum resistance to the sim on multisim It use to help avoiding his kind of problems. I used it a lot in the las 4 years. Very cool sim.

Ac electrolysis can't happen alone, it is only used on the resonance part of the thing. You need dc component of the current. How one could apply high frequency field to an  electrolyses while having thru the same set of electrodes huge current dc. Witch is the only way you can have high frequency voltage field being applied and at the same time create dc current of huge amperage??? 




 
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on June 27, 2010, 07:25:13 am
Tony woodside that is not what I asked you , I do not know what you were reading .

Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on December 24, 2010, 19:13:24 pm
Hi all,

Been a while since I posted to this thread.  I've spent my time when not working on researching and building a resonant cell array.  Not being a machinist the build has been challenging and on hold until I obtain another drill press.  I had to return the one I borrowed.

Meanwhile I'd like to share some thoughts regarding AC electrolysis and how Puharich and Meyer might have gone that route and what its advantages are/were.  One has to kind of research the history of discovery and where we are today and how we got here.

I propose a simple experiment.  I have not done it yet but it seems feasible.  Take one wire from a household outlet and wire it to the center of a couple of diodes similar to an avremenko plug.  Take those 2 wires and connect to a light bulb.  Compare the draw from the source to using 2 wires.  Try with the hot wire and the common wire and see if there's a difference in draw from the source.  Measure the heat evolved from the circuit and the light bulb with the different configurations.  This is with a one phase or if you will a 2 phase system since you can do both wires separately and light 2 bulbs.  This relates to Meyer's use of AC to drive his demo cells with household AC current and 3 phase alternator with 9 tubes and pulsing the rotor.  With no load an electric single or 3 phase motor will draw some amps and more amps with load.  Then the circuit needs to be "tuned".  This is sort of related to early automotive ignition systems and positive ground system.  I will post results soon probably after the holidays.  It sort of makes sense to me why there are 9 tubes in the demo cell and 9 wires exiting a 3 phase filar or bifilar generator/alternator and why there are 9 switches.  Any and all of the tubes can individually be on or off with respect to the source.  Meyer only in my opinion gives half of the story but it is his truth and discovery.  We all need to start thinking in higher dimensions not just linearly.  The universe is not flat it is an infinite sphere.  The water molecule is one of the smallest representations of that universe.  Happy Holidays,

Andy
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on March 28, 2012, 13:09:30 pm
There is a theory, that i found which i believe seems what meyer based his ideas about universal energy. All protons in the all universe are connected together, they are wormholes or singularities that connects to each other. All this because of the density of the vacuum energy localized within the space inside the nucleus. Seems that the vacuum energy is calculated from getting the plank length which is the smallest wave length possible, ( when a photon basically is about to superpose another) so integrating a volume of space summing all this high energetic small wavelengths will give the density of energy of a given space portion. There is a guy which a friend told me about at the university, called Nassim Haramen that developed this theory explaining this.

Well this explain many things, from intergalactic delay-less communication and so on...

sebs
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on March 28, 2012, 15:32:02 pm
I like this kind of info, Seb!
Thanks for sharing!

Steve
Title: Re: AC electrolysis
Post by: Hidden on March 28, 2012, 19:14:00 pm
You welcome my friend,

check his youtube video is pretty amazing when he talks, he start talking or destroying the conservation laws...

I got really interested, cause it became clear to me what Hartmut Muller, John Quincy St Clair, and others were talking about...

sebs