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Re: Electric field do perform work Concept by sebosfato...
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2010, 15:38:07 pm »
I would say that he add a capacitor on one of the bifilar coils and drive it into resonance as to develop high voltage with recirculating current, This dynamic force maybe 500 v per turn induce the voltage on the other bifilar coil, while not consuming energy as the work is done only by the voltage force acting on the electrons of the wire. 




  resonant capacitor
(---------| |--------) in parallel with,
(a)0------------1000v(b)  (L1)    than
   bifilar non ind.          ) (connected to)
(c)1000v------------0(d)  (L2)                                 Dynamic force electrical induction
(------/\/\/\/\------(a)
 load in connected into non inductive connections (a)(c) 

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Re: Electric field do perform work Concept by sebosfato...
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2010, 16:49:29 pm »
Steve, I believe that it asymmetry is one way to get it like the pancake coils having one coil bigger than the other while being still bifilar. So one coil comes more from the middle of the pancake. 


However i'm thinking about and the bifilar stan proposed could be a way to do it better, cause you can develop high voltage thru the wires having 0 inductance so no coupling, magnetic field not being consumed. Again as it is connected non inductively the electrons would like to go in one direction while there is a flow of electrons in the other direction, maybe thats why meyer said he was restricting amps there.


I was thinking about, if it is not bifilar canceling each other, there is very lower possibility for the thing to work, because you would have losses of the magnetic field of the resonance thus lowering directly the Q factor, coupling dynamically instead, would not load the Resonant tank.  Thus generating  probably a hell of electric Power.


A good thing to use in my opinion would be a coaxial cable or bounded speaker wire, maybe 100 meters is ok. I would go for 300 meters so to keep the frequency lower... would give around 50mh in air depending on the configuration... Maybe is over rated...




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Re: Electric field do perform work Concept by sebosfato...
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2010, 23:05:00 pm »
I was performing some tests, and didn't achieved the effect yet, i guess my coil is too small. Or my meters too bad. I will keep on it. What i'm expecting is to find a voltage across the non inductive connection of the bifilar coil having one the bifilar coils in resonance at high voltage.


I tried with a bifilar coil here, however is one made with speaker wire. Probably the insulation of the speaker wire is stronger than it need to be. There is only 10v per turn +- here so being a 2mm far from the other coil i guess the effect must actually be too small.


I wil try with magnet wire, and i will come back to the toroidal configuration see what happens.

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Re: Electric field do perform work Concept by sebosfato...
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2010, 03:46:54 am »
Donald L. Smith afirm that there are readly available devices witch are overunity rated.


This explanation i gave about what stan intended by dynamic coherent voltage creation by action of mutual inductance and capacitance, inductance, and resistance proprieties of the coils.


Can only be this. In my point of view.


Donald L smith also say, if you have 10kv on a 10 turns coil you and you have another coil of 30 turns you will have 30000 volts, and the electrons are not part of the same circuit. Pretty much like the one wire transmission system. However this way having the coils to induce directly the movement of the electrons on the other coil by its own electric field and not the magnetic flux.


Seems quite logical to me.


I'm trying to determine if we can use capacitance coupling to do this or if it need to be only by induction (no contact at all).  Probably under vacuum

 

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Re: Electric field do perform work Concept by sebosfato...
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2010, 03:53:06 am »
I would like to know your impressions about this.


And what were and is now your vision about the dynamic coherent voltage, meyer talked about.

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Re: Electric field do perform work Concept by sebosfato...
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2010, 13:18:19 pm »
Donald L. Smith afirm that there are readly available devices witch are overunity rated.


This explanation i gave about what stan intended by dynamic coherent voltage creation by action of mutual inductance and capacitance, inductance, and resistance proprieties of the coils.


Can only be this. In my point of view.


Donald L smith also say, if you have 10kv on a 10 turns coil you and you have another coil of 30 turns you will have 30000 volts, and the electrons are not part of the same circuit. Pretty much like the one wire transmission system. However this way having the coils to induce directly the movement of the electrons on the other coil by its own electric field and not the magnetic flux.


Seems quite logical to me.


I'm trying to determine if we can use capacitance coupling to do this or if it need to be only by induction (no contact at all).  Probably under vacuum
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It is great to read about Don L. Smith his work, which is Teslas work but more advanced in my view.
Don is talking about electron action in the ambient between coils. Ambient is our world, air, water, space etc. Coils, wires, components are disturbing the ambient electrons and in the wire when longitudinal waves are being generated on them.
Don talks about waves that are transmitted through the ambient and are received in a receiver coil. The electrons are generated/collected in two opposing coils (opposite spin). Most Tesla coils are one part (electric potential). Don his coils are dual. One part electric potential and one part magnetic field and has zero point connection (ground) where the bloch wall is. This is done by the wavelength and mass matching of the coils.
Some way he could pickup the electrons as a receiver (which has more V.A.R. than the transmitter) from the longitudinal wave. The frequency on the receiver coil is a wave. Don talked about fields below 20kHz and waves above 20kHz which is radio frequency. When waves are used the skin-effect occurs on the wire. So thick wire is better wave guide. How the waves are propagating is difficult to imagine. What comes in my mind is a spiral (golden ratio, Fibonacci) form, which is asymmetrical.

Stan writes about Ambient in his papers. He even drawn it.

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Re: Electric field do perform work Concept by sebosfato...
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2010, 20:06:52 pm »
Tesla said things like this, You charge a capacitor with 10watts than you can make it develop hundreds of horsepowers of work. Do any of you understand this?


My fellow here also told me this once but didn't explained.




Tesla reached undamped oscillations, i believe it has to do with inductive capacitors and capacitive inductors, to obtain a certain elasticity.


Think of a capacitor, it has a dielectric breakdown maximum voltage, witch is effectively the amount of force it can withstand before it actually break down due to the charges wanting to get together. What if when reaching this point it have a kind spring constant where when the breakdown is about to happen the charges by attraction force impart energy into the system but than return just before break down start to happen?


Just like you reach almost the break down and than get the energy back amplified.


A self healing capacitor would be useful if you get to work aways on limit to get this force to act generating more work. I think that this is why finding the right frequency is important.


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Re: Electric field do perform work Concept by sebosfato...
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2010, 14:34:20 pm »
You want to do what Tesla is talking about with a "condenser"? buy a disposable camera. The flash circuit charges a large cap then when the led turns green it can be discharged into the flash. Thus your "small" input is built up and discharged into a larger usable wattage. No OU as your sacrifice is time, but i have heard of people using this to pulse a transformer then use the BEMF to further charge on both sides. Or even use it for cap bouncing.