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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #56 on: July 23, 2011, 07:24:19 am »
Hi
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the adjustable frequency generator (Figure 12) tunes into the resonant condition of the circuit.
Why not PLL circuit ( Figure 7) tune into resonant condition?
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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2011, 08:01:39 am »
This image should tell you what is going on with the difference of inductance  ;)

(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/Meyer_Waveform.gif)

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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #58 on: July 24, 2011, 10:10:58 am »
Funny,
 
I replicated the VIC in multisim and got the same waveform as your oscopse shows with the secondary and choke coils having the same inductance. I also got a much higher voltage than the transofrmer turns ratio could give, and I got a step charging voltage across the capacitor. I understand the AC part of the waveform, but what I don't understand is the AM part, why the oscillations build up, peak, and then die down.
 
I'm thinking the build up is the charging of the inductor to it's peak, the dying down is the energy being dissipated?
 

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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2011, 19:47:59 pm »
Two resonances are taking place here. 1) The smaller AM signals are to match the resonance of the electrons of the molecule. 2) The larger and slower AM signal modulates the smaller AM signals to higher voltages and what this does is setup the resonance of the Nuclear Magnetic Relaxation (NMR) cycle of the proton water which is approximately 3 secs. You can also use subharmonics of the NMR cycle which would be around 0.5 Hz & 0.25 Hz

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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2011, 20:06:23 pm »
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 observations
 
 I've found that good inductance from the coil at resonance will show much higher peaks like your scope shot when a substantial capacitance is added parallel to the plates.  I put all the high voltage capacitors that I had on hand plus a couple of hefty tinfoil/waxed paper rolled capacitors that I made and produced almost twice the peak to peak voltage. 
 
 Lets see...  8x385v-330uf plus two 65v-50,000uf plus six 200v-1000uf plus one 150v-1400uf plus my two tinfoil caps...  a bit of added parallel capacitance wouldn't you agree? 
 
 A slight frequency adjustment to bring it all back into the highest voltage peak to peak output and you'll end just about doubling the peak to peak voltage at the same input voltage
 
 this was obtained with a three inch bifliiar wound composite core toroid at about 10khz with 20 volts and 250ma....     2100v ptp
 
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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #61 on: July 25, 2011, 00:38:39 am »
T & all
 
 observations
 
 I've found that good inductance from the coil at resonance will show much higher peaks like your scope shot when a substantial capacitance is added parallel to the plates.  I put all the high voltage capacitors that I had on hand plus a couple of hefty tinfoil/waxed paper rolled capacitors that I made and produced almost twice the peak to peak voltage. 
 
 Lets see...  8x385v-330uf plus two 65v-50,000uf plus six 200v-1000uf plus one 150v-1400uf plus my two tinfoil caps...  a bit of added parallel capacitance wouldn't you agree? 
 
 A slight frequency adjustment to bring it all back into the highest voltage peak to peak output and you'll end just about doubling the peak to peak voltage at the same input voltage
 
 this was obtained with a three inch bifliiar wound composite core toroid at about 10khz with 20 volts and 250ma....     2100v ptp
 
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Any gas bubles?

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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #62 on: July 25, 2011, 01:08:18 am »
Steve,

yes, slightly more gas yet I still believe it is normal electrolysis

still playing with combinations of gating lengths, pulse train lengths and such

playing is key, experimental fun is all, I'd like someone to try this and duplicate the effect, perhaps there is something to be learned here


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Re: My Thoughts on how Meyer split water
« Reply #63 on: July 25, 2011, 08:12:53 am »
KB,
I believe that you added caps will be lowering your required frequency for resonance. Also by having them there what you have done is lowered the variable % of your capacitor at production.


For example, if your cell is 3mf with water and you start production your cell could (non calculated number just an estimate) change to say 250pf thats a large change for your frequency to adjust to. Now if you put 3f worth of caps paralleled  your resting cap is 3.003f and your calculable capacitance with production is (for all intensive purposes) 3f. Not a big jump in required frequency.


The only problem with this happens when your caps start to fail due to over voltage.