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Title: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 08:25:22 am
On the journey of Discovering Stan meyers circuit i had noticed that not only did i discover what stan was doing but i also noticed there are others out there that do also understand what was done! Why this information has not been Brought to our / WFC research groups attention i can not understand. There are very few that Understand his work, and by no way is the information hidden but simply overlooked. However i do agree that this type of technology has been kept away from man kind for centuries by our governments.

It has been found that without the use of RESISTANT wire there will be no resonance . !  Also The fuel cell is part of the resonant circuit normally referred to as a condenser. The fuel cell will resonate with the Resistant Coil forming and LC circuit, Therefore the input power to the circuit is DC, during resonace the Resonate CHOKE is powered by AC from a DC source Due to resonance.

A demo circuit of a Fuel cell in Resonance would Be as followed.

1 RESISTIVE Choke hooked in series with the fuel cell, then to the 12v battery supply. Simple setup, take the coil and cell and hook in series. Then hook the Remaining Terminals to the battery. The resonate Freq is controlled by Dead Shorting the Condenser, Fuel cell. Upon Dead short Coil is Charing, Upon Release Cell is charging, A resonance occurs! This will result in the coil powered by AC even though the power source is DC. It is said to be high Freq.

Furthing findings is is shortly related to That of Sr's Power inverter Ignition circuit able to Blow water up on demand. It is clear that a Strong capacitor discharge is needed in order to do this. Examples could be charging up a capacitor to 250 volts and then dead shorting it under water, the amount of energy released is so powerful that water blows up instantly on demand. However the Capacitor discharge is coming from the inverter many fail to Replicate it. All though im not sure of his Newer version of the small coil in his videos, its almost as if he was making jokes.

However The Fuel Cell resonate Circuit Is unique and does relate to discharging a capacitor under water to gain explosions of water. It is problem matic to use Capacitors for discharge, what i believe to be the Vic is much better. The way the circuit is setup due to resonance Water can be exploded on demand far greater than what normal discharge capacitors can do. These circuits also relate to FREE ENERGY and much more. *  3 phase is related as well.

To further understand The VIC, To understand where Free Energy comes from, to understand how to place a freq across a fuel cell and get it to resonate all the circuits are clearly the same. I honestly think this is some of the circuits hidden away from us that we shouldn't be getting our hands on.

To understand what is going on, what can be done and what you lack. Please look very very very very very hard at the old time Auto ignition circuit. Learn that the Coil is powered by AC and not DC. Also learn how the auto spark works. And most of all remember, to get this type of resonance i believe you have to have resistant wire!

The auto ignition circuit is labeled as an LC circuit! For less confusion ignore magnetos.

If this post did not seem like the most important post you have read in this wfc technology, then i highly suggest you read it again. Then if your still skeptical i suggest you get an ignition coil and a battery, a Normal AC UNIT capacitor and find you some schematics and start playing. This circuit is clearly resonating. Without Resonance you would not be driving your car down the road! ! !

Blowing water up on demand DC is no longer good, AC WILL overtake DC and When the public scientist start to realize what is going on this Technology WILL SKYROCKET!

It was hard for me to share this information because i have not yet tested every technique, But i have tested enough to see that this is the road your gov's dont want you to take, I highly recommend you look very deeply into what i am pointing out to you.

Now what i know, and what i am working on right now has become public, a very large auto ignition circuit is under investigation.

So let the Search Begin!


A quick heads up. I was referred to 20 windmills that can produced 24 Thousand volts at 1500000 watts per windmill or 30000000 watts for all 20. These Windmills each Produce a maximum amount of current of 62.5 AMPS at 24k volts. Each Windmill is a Giant! So they Take Very high voltage, 24k volts at 20 windmilles equal to 1250 AMPS and step it down using a utility pole transformer.
Normal PowerLine Ratings are between 17 and 18 kilo volts.

If your home is consuming 10k watts at 110 and 220 volts the amps going to your home would be "about"  83 amps.

When you consume 10000 watts from your power company, you are taking about 17000 volts at about half an amp from the utility wire!!!!!!!

In some cases, IF
Extra High Voltage(Transmission) – over 230 kV, up to about 800 kV, used for long distance, very high power transmission
Then you would consume .0125 Miliamps (12.5 Ma) from the powerline wire since .0125 * 800000 volts = 10000 watts

That's Amazing, isn't it!

Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 11:25:49 am
Well, you have completely left out the diode in meyer's diagrams, which is the thing that destroys every theory about a free resonance and ac.


Furthermore: Why should it be resistant wire? LC-circuits work with copper wires too.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 11:40:32 am

hydrocars.....YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT......KEVIN WEST....WATERFORFUEL.COM EVEN STATES THIS....i think i am understnading more now than ever about the effectiveness of resistance and the entire process coming down to the lc circuit.

here is his diagram
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/WFFLRCcircuit.jpg)


here is stans resonance via resistance.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/resistiveresonance.jpg)

if you also look through out the technical brief he refers to things such as amp inhibitor and resistve this and resistive that.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 16:11:27 pm
what i see wrong with kevins setup is, He isn't using resistive wire, but a resistor instead "That will not work well" it can do much much better with resistor wire! He doesn't know what he's missing.

The tube cells must be in parallel, the ac capacitors are in series, they should be in parallel.

"These circuits resonate clearly, you dont need a resonance detector to prove that if you know what to look for." The ferrite core makes me think he was using high freq, with big caps like that i would think he was using a slow freq. Not sure how that part of it works out yet. But yes, kevin has a good birds eye's view based on what i see in his photo.

The emf from the coil is what charges the caps, its not good to put 2 ac caps in series bassed on my knowledge, each time i put caps in series i couldn't rind resonance, when i would put all caps in parallel i found resonance, THIS is when i realized that the fuel cell would make a perfect ("Condenser") Please research what i stated above.

No, there is no diode.

EDIT, i just noticed he used 4 caps and not 2, this could be different, not sure how this would work out. Yes, Kevin is on the right track.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 16:17:13 pm
I also see an error in that schematic if he is using DC from the bridge, i will post more on this soon.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 16:30:43 pm
Is resistant wire a must? i am not 100% sure, i have alot of explaining to do. This will relate also to why kevin used a resistor. Now i see where the resistance is coming from. More soon.

you want the choke to restrict amps on charge, and series up on discharge, there's only one way to make this happen, its how you wrap the choke. Kevin doesn't have it wrapped properly. This is why he had to use a resistor. More on this soon. Its possible you don't have to have resistant wire, "not sure yet."
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 16:47:19 pm
Well, you have completely left out the diode in meyer's diagrams, which is the thing that destroys every theory about a free resonance and ac.


Furthermore: Why should it be resistant wire? LC-circuits work with copper wires too.

Well, you have completely left out the diode in meyer's diagrams, which is the thing that destroys every theory about a free resonance and ac.


Furthermore: Why should it be resistant wire? LC-circuits work with copper wires too.

I never said it was free resonance, Why should it be resistant wire? OK, well i am now finding out that the resistance of the wire may not matter, "i haven't ruled that out yet." But what i have found is the way you wrap the choke, it can be wrapped in such a way to restrict amperage in "due to the core charge effect." On discharge this same wrap will form a ""series of coils"", to increase voltage potential. It is most important to wrap this coil properly, Not like in kevins photo where he used a bobbin. 

This circuit i am working on now Clearly resonates. Its like taking the cap from a AC unit fan motor, the fan simply will not work! it to resonates. You take the condenser from the auto spark system and it will not spark the plug, there is no resonance. I am talking about alot of power here from a resonate circuit, not some small amount of power.

THIS IS WHY I CLEARLY POINTED OUT TO YOU TO GO AND READ AND UNDERSTAND THE AUTO IGNITION, ITS A GOOD EXAMPLE. When you understand that you will start to see what the cap does. You will also see where to apply the pulses. Please do not overlook this as it is the MOST IMPORTANT EXAMPLE YOU WILL FIND.

There is resonance going on, and power that is normally NOT USED is getting used now. We in our days are use to WASTING, these circuits clearly does not wast !
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 16:54:20 pm
Someone should invite Kevin over.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 17:50:01 pm
I speak with Kevin regularly as do many people.  He is a very open person and speaks freely about his experiments.

Kevin isn't into forums much.  He does his own thing.  He told me that he was here last year when he heard that you guys were rewiring the alternator stator.  He said he was not greeted nicely and frankly did not have anything nice to say about this forum.

If you go to his site and review what he is doing, you will notice that he has been using distilled water in his experiments and has been successful.  I too have replicated his circuit with minimal success.  I have not been able to achieve that volume of gas production that he appears to have done.  He has not posted any production volumes as of yet but the fact that his circuit is able to break down distilled water is an incredible milestone in my opinion.

LapperL 
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 18:17:47 pm
Tell Kevin that i am sorry if he was not greeted nicely. Also tell Kevin i do admit that my attitude may have been out of control in the past, i am very sorry for that. I have since Bettered myself into respecting others unlike before. Very sorry Kevin was not welcomed to this forum the way it should of been. At the time the forum went public we did piss many public people off, and for that i am sorry. I do try my best to correct the mistakes i have made in the past. One way of correcting them is just not post much. It upsets me that we had problems in the past. Please pass these words to him. Please send my apology.


Hello Danky. I have just taken some photos for you guy's showing a Coil that was wired to dedicate itself to a resonance circuit. This coil was created just to be inserted into a resonant circuit.
This coil is from an auto ignition coil, just like you will find on a dune buggy or any other old model car.

Here you see the primary, notice how it is wrapped Very Neatly from right to left, then it stops.

When you wrap the coil then stop, you then allow paper spacer, very important if not using a spool. After you add a paper spacer you then re start the wrap in the opposite direction very neatly, THIS IS ZIG ZAGG WRAP and it is VERY IMPORTANT.

As it RESTRICTS amp flow into the coil, Each Wrapp of the coil is in series upon Discharge, so you win both ways, You restrict amp flow in the coil, And you increase voltage on discharge. ONLY THIS WRAP TECHNIQUE MAKES THAT POSSIBLE, its very important FOR THE RESONATE CIRCUIT.

I have also included a secondary HV Photo, Here you see the distance between the LOOPS, this is important to reduce internal arcing. Both of these coils are submurged in oil where the paper soaks the oil up.

Again, i will STRONGLY point out, Please learn how the auto ignition system works to understand how resonance works. Its by far the best example on the Entire Internet, Please put all your time in the auto ignition circuit if you would like to scale this circuit up for hotter sparks, or to understand how a water fuel cell can be placed within this same circuit. 

The Last schematic is exactly how you would connect a fuel cell to this circuit. Just replace the condenser with the fuel cell and the points control the frequency. "at the right freq water will rip apart" You can compare this to kevins setup and see the difference between the 2.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 18:19:00 pm
One of our members has replicated Kevin's experiment and is getting at least twice as much gas as Kevin did.  I have seen his videos.  Fantastic gas production.  He is still not satisified though with the setup.  He is still working to improve it.  Maybe one of these days he will share about it himself.  
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 19:54:58 pm
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One of our members has replicated Kevin's experiment and is getting at least twice as much gas as Kevin did.  I have seen his videos.  Fantastic gas production.  He is still not satisified though with the setup.  He is still working to improve it.  Maybe one of these days he will share about it himself.  Many guys are afraid to share, since there are so many lurkers and nay sayers.

I do not understand why someone would be reluctant to post positive results due to lurkers and nay sayers.  I thought the purpose of an open source forum is to share information so that all of us can become free from oil dependence.   

The only reason for someone to be fearful of lurkers would be so that they do not steal the information and try to patent it and profit from it or that is their intent themselves and that would make them lurkers. 

Like I said, Kevin is very open with his information and has his information well documented.  He posts it freely on his blog http://blog.waterforfuel.com/ (http://blog.waterforfuel.com/) and has even posted a complete DIY on how to rewire the alternator http://www.kevinwestforpresident.com/ (http://www.kevinwestforpresident.com/).

So not posting positive or even better results from replicating another persons design does not make any sense to me.

Please tell your friend that we are all in this together and only by sharing the information publicly will be become free from oil dependence.

LapperL
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 19:56:04 pm
if you find the old the huge  accel ignition coil part number 140001 from the 70s and 80 they have a removeable lid with 4 screws it is oil filled but the internals are the exact type of bobbin assembly showed in the vic matric  coil in the tech brief  but with 9 cavities instead of 12
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 20:16:05 pm
Glad to hear resistance wire was used , this also reduces amp flow . It seems as ihe wound both bifilars on same core with sectionnal spools in em as well.

But even if you produce alot of gas you cant power a car it seems , you need to add mass to them.


Danky, due to the way the coil was wraped and based on what i seen, i thought the coil was resistant wire. I have learned, "i think" that you do not have to use resistant wire, "Its how you wrap the choke as i pointed out." Wrapping in that direction will restrict amps into the coil and double the voltage from the coil. "Thats why i posted the photo."

Think of charging 8 capacitors in parallel to 12 volts each! Now discharge them in series! you get 12 volts X 8 which is 96 volts. That is just what this coil is doing accept it resonates and hits higher voltages! I think i read somewhere around 300 volts on the primary. Again, researching the auto circuit is the best information i'm able to come across.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 20:21:32 pm
lapperl,

I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 20:23:42 pm
I had lately some contact with Kevin West.
I contacted him, because i had found out that he wasnt calculating his consumed power well.
His calculations were way to low...
So, we a small discussion and at the end he actually didnt care at all.
For me that is a strange way of doing sience and research.

Kevin is very welcome here. I invited him in the same emails.....some weeks ago.
Well, he is a lonesome cowboy, on his way to become president of the usa.

br
steve
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 20:33:35 pm
look at this
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 20:44:13 pm
http://www.icestuff.com/~energy21/electrolysis.htm

Taken from url

( The input power was pulsing DC type with ON TIME of low volts +200ma. pulse and then OFF TIME of > 1500volt flyback volts pulse only coming from series inductor coil hooked to cell. Wires of coils are resistance wire type instead of resister, so maximum current is limited to .2 Amp. Therefore circuit uses low wattage power.)
 
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 21:09:57 pm
hydro the process of charging from on inductor to next as you metion is used in particle accelerator also lasers and is refered to as magnetic pulse compression
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 21:56:45 pm
HYDROCARS

I've posted in the past as well about the auto ignition circuit and it's similarities with stan's circuit. In the auto ignition circuit. You have the ignition coil secondary (which is an inductor) an the spark plug which has two voltage fields with air bewteen them (a capacitor with air as the dielectric).

The secondary is not made of any type of resistive wire, but the wire being as small as it is has resistance. If you look at wire resistance charts you will see that the smaller the wire, the higher the resistance!

I have charged water with ignition coils to a high voltage static charge, but failed to split it. And why?

-First I realized that I was only using +20KV and ground (0V). You need both + and negative opposite charges. Something like +20kV and -20kV.

This can be done by connecting 2 ignition coils primaries in parallel but of opposite polarity: Shown here:

http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/homemade_ignition_coil_driver.htm (SECOND CIRCUIT DOWN)

However, Ta Lee's patent states that the voltage applied is constant.

You will not be able to split the water efficiently by using 2 ignition coils connected this way, unless you use a 50% duty cycle and inductors.

As we all know the inductors give us a free pulse for each pulse we give, and if the duty cycle given is exactly 50%, then the free pulse duty cycle with also be 50%, making a 100% DC, continuous opposite polarity voltage across the capacitor!

The inductors cause the voltage to be continuous if the duty cycle is 50%, when you are not giving a 50% duty cycle you can still split the water, but only in fractions of seconds of time (water is only split during pulsing). but when the duty cycle given is 50%,  your free pusle from the inductors will also have a 50% duty cycle, the two will be combined causing a constant (non pulsed) voltage source.

Because of the circuit design you will still have resonance!

THAT IS WHAT IS REQUIRED!



One thing you should keep in mind here is that two transformers are not needed, but because of the way ignition coils are designed (primary and secondary sharing a common ground) it would require two. Stan used just one transforer that has dual secondayry outputs because it guaranteed fewer parts, and complied with the KISS method.


The way stan's circuit is set up the step charging is continual. This is the reason for peridoic gating, as without it the production would be uncontrollable and it would go into a runaway effect where voltage continues to increase until the water splits apart as fast as it enters the cell. He even states that in one of his videos. The circuit off time must be greater every X number of pulses to allow the cap to discharge and prevent this runaway voltage effect.

All this information is contained in Stan's patents and tech brief.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 22:09:39 pm
Gentleman,

May i point you to my post earlier...some days ago?
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,384.0.html

br
Steve
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 12, 2008, 23:17:30 pm
Steve,

Thanks for the link.  I somehow missed the previous post.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 13, 2008, 04:43:01 am
Just so it is very clear what i am up to. Even though the fuel cell can be made to resonate with this unique circuit, I am not interested in producing hydroxy.

My main goal is to take a plug and blow water up on demand.

I am repeating myself when i say A capacitor arc under water cant hold a candle to what a over sized replicated ignition coil can do. The replica will be based on an ignition coil, but since a different cap is used, and a hand made bigger coil, it's not the same because it is much bigger in size.

The way it works, when the HV sparks to the plug, the charge the capacitor got from the Back emf of the primary is unloaded into the water in amps along with the HV from the secondary. The circuit will have to be able to unload a bigger capacitor condenser than normal onto the water drop remaining on the plug. This will lead to violent water explosions. I would like to point out that arching a capacitor under water is about the same thing as what we're trying to do here. But this setup is better since a discharge from a coil is used.

The problem i had with capacitors, is in oder to explode what "you had to manually arc the cap under water" to get that effect. With this over sized resonate circuit you no longer have to manually arc the cap under water due to the way its wired. And since it is a resonating circuit recharging the cap will be on the fly. Not only does the water see a capacitor discharge from this setup it also sees high volts, and coil discharges. If you really think about whats going on, "Fore a Brief second" Pure DC is indeed discharged from the plug very strongly before a polarity change takes effect. This setup has been reconized because i was searching for a capacitor discharge spark. Even though the normal ignition coil is a capacitor discharge spark "It should POP when the plug fires." This is the circuit i am working on.

When you place a water fuel cell in series with this special coil and 12v battery without the use of "POINTS", the fuel cell will produce hydrogen. The freq to the water fuel cell would be like points in parallel with the fuel cell, just like the points across the condenser in a normal auto ignition circuit. When you dead short the fuel cell or condenser it is drained and at the same time energy is being built up in the auto coil. Due to the way the auto coil has been wrapped, like series capacitors, the condenser, Wfc takes strong spike charges. If there is a secondary side of the transformer the charge in the cell can be discharged amps along with the HV if the primary is hooked to the secondary properly.

A wfc makes a great condenser, but for the discharge i am looking for it will  be able to blow water up very violently. Since the Auto Coil is labeled and LC circuit, and since the LC circuit resonates with a capacitor at a resonate freq and charges the cap on the fly, A very very violent Ignition circuit can now be constructed.

I would like to point out, when i say resonance what i mean is when you apply power to the circuit it is self resonating for a few 2 or 3 cycles. What i mean when i say Replacing the points with a fet to gain freq over the water, then you would be trying to tune into the freq of water, unlike the freq term referred to in the auto ignition circuit.  So The word Resonate frequency has several different meanings and it is simple to confuse them. If you look at the circuit, connecting a coil and wfc to a 12v battery, hydroxy will flow without doing anything. Dead shorting the wfc will determine the freq your trying to tune into.

Since my buggy will be assembled soon, i need this circuit.

I didn't have time to proof read this post, sorry. Very busy today
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 13, 2008, 05:10:09 am
Hydrocars,

Sounds very cool indeed.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 13, 2008, 05:20:26 am
Ok Hydrocars I understand now.

Not producing hydrogen, but exploding the water like a cap discharge system.

It's like those videos on youtube of people spraying water on the spark plug, but instead of the plug you use the WFC tubes!

GREAT IDEA>
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 13, 2008, 05:35:33 am
Ok Hydrocars I understand now.

Not producing hydrogen, but exploding the water like a cap discharge system.

It's like those videos on youtube of people spraying water on the spark plug, but instead of the plug you use the WFC tubes!

GREAT IDEA>

Please don't overlook how the wfc can be inserted into this circuit, it is an LC resonate circuit.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 13, 2008, 07:31:18 am
what i see wrong with kevins setup is, He isn't using resistive wire, but a resistor instead "That will not work well" it can do much much better with resistor wire! He doesn't know what he's missing.

The tube cells must be in parallel, the ac capacitors are in series, they should be in parallel.


he states:
"With that said I have paralled and seriesed 4 microwave capacitors, threw in my 3.3mh inductor, coupled in the water fuel cell (using distilled water ONLY), and placed a 2.7 Kilo Ohm resistor (5 watt) on the neutral between the inductor and alternator. The most important thing is the 5 WATT resistor, if I use more than 5 watts in the LRC circuit then the resistor will blow. A WATT is Voltage X Amperage, for example 10 volts at .5 amps is 5 WATTS, so is 5 volts at 1 amp is 5 WATTS, so is 1 volt at 5 amps is 5 WATTS...and so on."

-i'm not quite sure how he has them parallel and series at the time......

edit- i understnad now he is doing 2 birds with one stone......taking care of the series resistance after the bifilar inductor and the parallel resistance to the wfc.....and apparently it works.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 13, 2008, 10:05:49 am
Hi all,

Here my 2 euro cents.

When you are going to test with these autoignition coils, be aware that we might need to place a resistor in serie with the wfc-cap.
We get a RLC circuit.
If you have a tubecell with some tubes in it, you have a resistance mostly less then 1 ohm.
If you blow the emf/bemf from the coil into that, it will do that in a very short time periode.
That periode  might be too small.
If you want to release the power of the coil a little bit slower, you can add a resistor in serie with the cap.

br
steve
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 13, 2008, 11:39:26 am
The LC circuit works Perfectly well, I think there's no need to add a resister to it. Perhaps a tuning coil would be better, that could make better since?

If the Capacitor is in series., When the points Fly open Back EMF HV would rather be absoarbed by the Capacitor than jump across the points at around 300 volts, "Burning them." Maybe those are 120 volt caps? and he has 2 of them in series to make an 240 volt cap? I'm not sure what he's done but everytime i put 2 ac caps in series HV would jump, defeating the whole entire purpose of the cap. The purpose is to catch the emf into amps and return it, see oscillation, then a oscillating discharge on to and along with the secondary, which he has no secondary because he is only catching the emf.

Please be aware of the working of the system, how the coil holds a series capacitor discharge that the condenser usually absoarbs, resonates and releases across the plug, all due to the way its wrapped. Also notice that the coil wired this way restricts amps due to how the magnetic field is built up.

I shouldn't have to point this out, this is easy to understand if you can just look at it and see how it works. An our or 2 of just researching "How it works," a good tutorial on the internet and you could master this quickly.

you have 2 coils, points, condenser and battery. Not much to this circuit. It already works the way it is, a perfect example circuit. This is by far the biggest LC resonate circuit i have ever seen in my life and yet its not given the proper credit.

yikes, i'm going to try an build my new coil.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 13, 2008, 12:19:35 pm
This is an ok page to read a little on  http://www.kronjaeger.com/hv/hv/src/ign/index.html

Ignition coils are usually operated on a DC supply, and just like flyback transformers they need a driver circuit. The simplest circuit is shown above. With the switch closed, an increasing DC current flows through the primary, producing a magnetic field inside the iron core, in which energy is stored. The final current is limited by the internal resistance of the coil, usually a few Ohms. When the switch opens, the current is interrupted and the magnetic field collapses, releasing the stored energy in the form of a large voltage pulse (a few hundred volts across the primary winding). This voltage pulse is multiplied the turns ratio, resulting in a peak voltage of around 30kV. The cap across the switch limits the ultimate peak voltage (see also the chapter on flyback transformers) by slowing down the collapse of the magnetic field, turning the singular transient into a damped high frequency oscillation. Without this measure, an arc would form in the switch after opening, possibly damaging the switch and slowing down the collapse even more, resulting in a much reduces output voltage. The additional resistor prevents welding of the switch contacts when it is closed again and the cap discharges through it.

The mechanical switch can of course be substituted by an electronic one, e.g. a transistor )bipolar, MOSFET, IGBT), which must however be able to withstand high voltages as well as high currents. Additional protection circuitry (varistor/VDR/MOV) is highly recommended. The circuits shown below use SCRs, which are well suited for high current switches.





(http://www.kronjaeger.com/hv/hv/src/ign/ignition1.png)
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 13, 2008, 13:05:35 pm
Here are some videos i made.

Here is the number of wrapps in the order in which they was removed.

33
40
42
44
47
48
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 13, 2008, 13:41:14 pm
A little proof
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 13, 2008, 14:48:21 pm
The auto coils is about 1.2 to 1.3 ohms.

My new coils is 1.8 to 1.9 ohms, this is just a test.

Here is how i wrapped my coil.

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Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 13, 2008, 15:48:25 pm
The spark is louder and it does pop. It is much more hotter compared to my factory coil results i got yesterday.

The capacitor is underrated or something, yesterday this capacitor worked great, today fire jumps across the points. This tells me i have a hotter spark as well. Putting capacitors in series makes it worse! Something is not right with the ratings of the capacitors, unsure what this may be at this time.

If you listen, the popping is the amps in the primary  being discharged onto the plug threw the path of the capacitor, ("thats what the caps for. a path to stir volt amps away from the points"), if it was only voltage you was hearing it would not be popping. This is just another demo coil, i am looking forward to a much nastier coil soon!
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 13, 2008, 17:18:33 pm
Hydrocars,

Nice to have you sharing with us.  This is great stuff.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 13, 2008, 18:29:20 pm
look at this
Water explosions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=* -Uk511S_I&feature=related
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 13, 2008, 18:31:22 pm
I`m not sure about this , i dont think this is the right method to blow up water violently , after Dynodon confirmed that the VIC was all in 1 and small enough to fit in the injector i think it has to do with something else....

I thought it was obvious to everybody that to blow water up violentrly , like really violently , not just some weakish plasma explosion that cant move nothing .
 
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 13, 2008, 20:28:54 pm
Here is some capacitor discharges with water i have done in the past.

http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=472.0;attach=1470
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=472.0;attach=1471
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 13, 2008, 20:52:02 pm
Danky, i think the power behind this circuit is gradually sinking into the public mind. I cant really explain it any better than what i've already done. As it only has 3 simple components it should not take 2 pages to explain its workings.

It is truly a powerful circuit. I will leave it at that for now.

Meanwhile, i have to scale this circuit up, and until i figure out why my capacitor got underrated so quickly, i am stuck, the video could have show a much nastier pop, "I had it turned down because the coil thumps," and i didn't want the back emf smoking my last fet.


Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 13, 2008, 23:22:06 pm
The auto coils is about 1.2 to 1.3 ohms.

My new coils is 1.8 to 1.9 ohms, this is just a test.

Here is how i wrapped my coil.

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Great stuff Mr. H!

br
Steve
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 14, 2008, 02:47:43 am
This circuit was posted on oupower.com long ago. It is supposed to be Dingles circuit.

(http://ftp://upload.comcast.net:21/2iginitioncoils.png)

Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 14, 2008, 02:49:10 am
Here you go:


This circuit was posted on oupower.com long ago. It is supposed to be Dingles circuit.

ftp://upload.comcast.net:21/2iginitioncoils.png

Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 14, 2008, 02:54:32 am
Yaro,

Thanks for sharing the link.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 14, 2008, 03:50:27 am
Yaro,

Thanks for sharing the link.

fiditti did you even click the link?

it can't be accessed since it's an ftp link.........
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 14, 2008, 08:57:35 am
What do you think this guy is doing. He is using an ignition coil. Is that hydrogen , if it is, he is producing a lot of it !
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 14, 2008, 15:27:49 pm
Here it is again:

http://home.comcast.net/~jadjei/2iginitioncoils.png
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 14, 2008, 18:18:39 pm
i just saw yaro's  post and would like to as hydro abt it ,i feel the circuit is very strange ,
if one is using two coils ,y is the first one not connected,i mean the HV.
second how is the HV connected to the cell with the positve and negative lso connected

Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 14, 2008, 18:20:53 pm
YARO,

I posted the same circuit on page two of this post!

This can be done by connecting 2 ignition coils primaries in parallel but of opposite polarity: Shown here:

http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/homemade_ignition_coil_driver.htm (SECOND CIRCUIT DOWN)

And believe it or not, you can actutally drive the ignition coils with a PWM, but they don't like kHz frequencies unless you get some high performance ones, even then a 15,000RPMX 8 cylinders=120,000/60=2000Hz.The higher you go the hotter the coil will get, and it won't be long before you burn it up!

It would be hard to achieve resonance with these coils(unless you build your cap and chokes to resonante at 1kHz or lower). If not your coils will heat up very quickly!!! I know cuase I've already played with ignition coils and given up on them. It's more practical to use one transformer than two ignition coils..


IF you have a 15 amp or larger PWM there's no need for all the transistors shown in the circuit.

The circuit below shows how you can drive the coils with a pwm. The .001uF cap is to absorb the HV BEMF spikes from the coil. This protects your PWM's MOSFET or TRANSISTOR, which ever you are using.


(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/xbradkx/Dualigncoildriver.jpg)

One thing I would say though, is stan worked on this stuff for years, he's probably tried all these types of things we think will work, but in the end the process he shows is the most simple, and most efficient way of doing it. I've you've got the money this might be worth building to play around with, but If you want to actutally replicate Stan you should build it the way he shows.

-That's my 2 cents
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 14, 2008, 21:42:02 pm
The circuit  I posted shows the HV applied to the cell container and not to the electrodes.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 14, 2008, 23:50:08 pm
After seeing the Videos i can say that this method will never run anything , it has no powert behind the pop .

this is what we should be aiming for

Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 15, 2008, 03:17:33 am
i tried to point this out but i don't guess anyone understands.

The Ignition circuit, I have told everyone here that the coil is wrapped to restrict amps, i have uploaded videos showing this.

I have shown that when the magnetic field collapses, the Primary coil is wired in such a way that it more than increases the voltage by more than 25 times.

I tried pointing out that when the points open, it is only a source for the coil discharge to flow threw, completing the loop. When the coil discharges it is "PRODUCING" 300 or more volts from a 12 volt source, The capacitor in parallel with the coil "IS THE ONLY ELECTRONIC COMPONENT" that will allow the "LOOP"  -- "SUPER MEGA  MAGNETIZING THE CORE IN WHICH THERE IS A HV COIL THERE IN BETWEEN WHERE PRODUCED VOLTAGE DEPENDS ON MAGNETICS"

PUTTING A DIODE & CAPACITOR IN PARALLEL WITH THE HV COIL DISCHARGE WILL TRIGGER AN EFFECT THAT WILL BLOW WATER UP ON DEMAND.

I'm sorry i can not prove this to you now. But trust me, the circuit is coming and i do know what i am doing.

There is a guy on youtube, called gotus or something, unsure of the exact name. He shows a similar setup to what i am referring to using only an ignition coil and capacitor, "My setup will be much stronger then his." And his isn't that bad, he is actually showing very good results for blowing water up, "im not sure he understands his own circuit." As i see what needs to be done that he did not do. It could do far greater than what its doing now.

If you know who i am talking about, That circuit want compare to the one i'm working on, and the good part, there is no mods needed to install it on the car, unlike the way they have it now.


This guy's circuit can be found at overunity.com, take a look at it. I think i can do much better Thanks to this guy sharing his work.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 15, 2008, 03:27:06 am
After seeing the Videos i can say that this method will never run anything , it has no powert behind the pop .

this is what we should be aiming for


I probably agree about the parallel coils, check out gotus on youtube, you may have to go to overunity.com to find the link. It makes good pops dankie. But yah, not sure whats up with dingle LOL.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 15, 2008, 04:11:04 am
hello everyone i think it is gotoluc and not gotus
ty rgds paul
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 15, 2008, 05:07:59 am
hello everyone i think it is gotoluc and not gotus
ty rgds paul

Thank you! He is highly credited for sharing that circuit. When i post the updated schematic it would take me 30 pages to explain to you guy's why it is wired the way i will have it.

The thing is, it should be understood that the spark gotoluc is getting is weak. He is not using the discharge cycle of the ignition coil to magnetize his core, the primary of the transformers main POINT is to take what ever voltage you put into it and step it up over 25 times. However, his coil never gets to the discharge cycle, instead his capacitor fires.

Yes, it is a capacitor discharge spark, even though the guy's say it isn't. I have the knowledge to make this circuit very very nasty.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 15, 2008, 07:52:04 am
For the guy's that's watching this post and already have their setups working, you're welcome to test out this circuit before i have the chance to. As i am waiting on my diodes and bridge to arrive.

Here's the "Amp Tank" circuit i will be working with. If you test this, please drop by and give feedback.

Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 15, 2008, 08:24:59 am
OK, I understand what is going on now. Awesome work!!!

The only thing I wonder is if this could really be used on a car and produce enough power at the same time?

I also wonder, did Stan use this in his car?  And if he did, then what was the purpose of the air processor?
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 16, 2008, 14:17:19 pm
Pulsed, here is the thread i wanted you to see.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 26, 2008, 04:09:18 am
All though the above circuit will work on a bench, Electrojolt has found that it was drawn improperly for a car. So i taken into consideration the Flaw he had found which was the plug had no ground, so here we are.

Thank you for pointing this out to me electrojolt.

Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 27, 2008, 03:46:12 am
Here is that circuit working. It is loud!!! my hears still buzzing.



I then added a Resonance Charging circuit to charge the AMP TANK with higher voltage, and it works.

Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 27, 2008, 03:49:23 am
Here is that circuit working. It is loud!!! my hears still buzzing.



I then added a Resonance Charging circuit to charge the AMP TANK with higher voltage, and it works.



The thing i dont like about this is that it eats the electrodes from your sparkplug away so fast... you be changing it every week....very unpractical . You might  need add more surface to the spark so it wears out evenly...
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 27, 2008, 04:32:33 am
Here is that circuit working. It is loud!!! my hears still buzzing.



I then added a Resonance Charging circuit to charge the AMP TANK with higher voltage, and it works.



The thing i dont like about this is that it eats the electrodes from your sparkplug away so fast... you be changing it every week....very unpractical . You might  need add more surface to the spark so it wears out evenly...

There's suppose to be water between the electrodes taking the heat, Heat travels to the spot with the most resistance. Since we had a "Rotor Gap" then this would mean the resistance of the Water Drop will have to overcome the resistance of the Rotor Gap, or we got problems.

Just better hope that plug works when wet, if not then this means the explosion will be between the rotor button. If The explosion pases that rotor button and hits the water drop then we're on our way to victory because the electrodes will not be consumed, "the water drop will."

Lets just see how this ends. I am still waiting on my diodes.

Claud can you Confirm that you're using the above circuit,,, "where is your condenser?"
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 27, 2008, 15:41:07 pm
Here is that circuit working. It is loud!!! my hears still buzzing.



I then added a Resonance Charging circuit to charge the AMP TANK with higher voltage, and it works.



The thing i dont like about this is that it eats the electrodes from your sparkplug away so fast... you be changing it every week....very unpractical . You might  need add more surface to the spark so it wears out evenly...

There's suppose to be water between the electrodes taking the heat, Heat travels to the spot with the most resistance. Since we had a "Rotor Gap" then this would mean the resistance of the Water Drop will have to overcome the resistance of the Rotor Gap, or we got problems.

Just better hope that plug works when wet, if not then this means the explosion will be between the rotor button. If The explosion pases that rotor button and hits the water drop then we're on our way to victory because the electrodes will not be consumed, "the water drop will."

Lets just see how this ends. I am still waiting on my diodes.

Claud can you Confirm that you're using the above circuit,,, "where is your condenser?"



There are some differences in my set up:

1st since I don't have a good stock ignition coil, I used my old trusty TV transformer to create the HV and since TV transformers only work at High frequency, I used a Mason Jar (HV capacitor) to slow down the spark rate to be more like an engine timing. so the TV transformer charges the HV capacitor and once it reached the threshold voltage for my spark gap (simulating the distributor), the HV cap discharges into the spark plug.  This took care of the HV side of the circuit.

Now for the Low volatge side: on the 1st video I built it just like in the schematic using a 100Watts 12v to 110v inverter. used a full bridge rectifier to charge the AMP Tank (470uf 450Volt Cap).
The Cap would charge to 150 volts.

Then on the 2nd video I added a DC resonance circuit to charge the AMP Tank to higher voltage. for this I used 1000uf cap right after the bridge rectifier, one diode and one 1000Mh inductor, this would then charge the AMP tank. I observed that the AMP tank now could be charged to 300 volts. Yea!!

There was water in my modified spark plug. 
This plug has a water inlet port so I can inject water into it.
The Negative electrode (the little bar) was removed.
The Positive electrode was also removed so I can test different configurations.

I did notice that when the plug is full of water touching both negative and positive, the spark still jumps over the water not thru it. yes some of the water does get blown up, but not that significant.


Here are some photos of the Modified plug.

Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on October 27, 2008, 16:38:41 pm
One more photo that shows the water inlet port.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on November 01, 2008, 06:36:07 am
Mission Accomplished and the Circuits Perfected and worthy of instillation, "Will contain a 2 wire modifycation to any Coil/Automobile." Those that don't know electronics you will not need to know them just follow instructions.

All thats left is to brush all this up make it neat, "Turn it down!" I don't want to publish anything that will blow chunks of metal into peoples cylinder walls and rings. To those that likes to get nasty, yes this circuit can literally weld the plug together making it impossible to get your spark gap back without using a saw of some sort on the first discharge if desired.

Now i just have to brush the circuit up, "make it neat," Tone it down and get it in tune, "parts list" which will not be expensive. All i can say is just wait until i'm ready to release it. Again, tested with a stock coil with "no mods" and confirmed to work on any system. "Also i feel this is the best circuit that will be on the internet for fire boosting." This is not a coil discharge circuit it's clearly a capacitor discharge circuit where the energy from the capacitor is violently and quickly discharged into the water molecule or water molecules, and will also be used to burn all that gas thats not getting burned. It is truly hassle free.

One person that must be credited for Bringing this circuit to my attention is Gotoluc! Therefor he will be credited!
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on November 01, 2008, 06:50:20 am
Mission Accomplished and the Circuits Perfected and worthy of instillation, "Will contain a 2 wire modifycation to any Coil/Automobile." Those that don't know electronics you will not need to know them just follow instructions.

All thats left is to brush all this up make it neat, "Turn it down!" I don't want to publish anything that will blow chunks of metal into peoples cylinder walls and rings. To those that likes to get nasty, yes this circuit can literally weld the plug together making it impossible to get your spark gap back without using a saw of some sort on the first discharge if desired.

Now i just have to brush the circuit up, "make it neat," Tone it down and get it in tune, "parts list" which will not be expensive. All i can say is just wait until i'm ready to release it. Again, tested with a stock coil with "no mods" and confirmed to work on any system. "Also i feel this is the best circuit that will be on the internet for fire boosting." This is not a coil discharge circuit it's clearly a capacitor discharge circuit where the energy from the capacitor is violently and quickly discharged into the water molecule or water molecules, and will also be used to burn all that gas thats not getting burned. It is truly hassle free.

One person that must be credited for Bringing this circuit to my attention is Gotoluc! Therefor he will be credited!

is it OU ?
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on November 01, 2008, 07:00:04 am
Neh, nothing overunity about it..
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on November 01, 2008, 07:34:59 am
Please can anyone explain the theory a bit further?
I think it was explained before that the water was to be super heated and expand to do the work. This I do not fully comprehend.

I do not wish to appear to be a “nay sayer” so I must have missed something.

Normal spark ignition supplies about 135mj per spark, so you are piggy-backing the extra energy.

My concerns are:
How much extra energy is needed to get water to explode? Usually 2,600j / 1cc water.
What charge time will be needed for the capacitor? Can it charge faster than it is needed?
And,
The water will not be used as a fuel, it will be converting the electrical energy into heat and pressure. Does the electrical energy far out way the mechanical gain.

Br
james




I haven't overlooked your post, i just wanted to get it installed first. Piggy back would be a good way of describing it. Sounds like you understand this process well. A simple charge to a capacitor and thats enough to explode water, "i proved that to myself already." The question is, Can the Plug handle the required charge and if it can, can it also handle it when dry. This must be tested on a car in real time so this is why i delayed you. The circuit is capable of blowing chunks of metal from the plug inside the cylinder, so you can kinda see what i'm trying to say here. I must test this on a bench and make sure this will not happen once in the cylinder. Then i must make sure the plug will allow me to turn the power up enough to explode the water, which is about 250 volts at full capacitor discharge.

So, no debre in the engine, and must blow up water, will it work? Its time to "tune" and find out if the spark plug will work, or if it needs replaced.
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on November 01, 2008, 17:49:45 pm
enlightening,

  Here is a pretty good example of what exploding water can do.  Dankie actually posted this link on another thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chzk4Q7fa7k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chzk4Q7fa7k)

Lapperl
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on November 02, 2008, 10:37:43 am

I have seen many you tube videos and the write up on “sr1” who originally ran his wife’s car on this technology. I have not been able to prove to myself that it all stands up.



Based on my test results it's going to take a great deal of energy to run this circuit, and i mean a great deal!!! But, it will be nothing compared to what it would take to run a fuel cell in a car which in return would run the engine. "this circuit is "slightly" possible" and will work. I'm not saying it will run a car on water but i am saying water will be exploded in the cylinder the way it should be, and to do that you have to pay to do so like you would anything else. If this circuit will not run a car on water then there is simply no better way of exploding water. "This is it," it will work or it will not!

Running this circuit, well i assume roughly 1000 watts. Thats a ballpark figure for now.

Back to my hole i crawl...
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on November 04, 2008, 02:16:23 am
Here is a video someone did showing the spark under compression.

Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on November 10, 2008, 05:38:05 am
Here is My Schematic
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on November 10, 2008, 07:32:16 am
Very nice, hydrocars!

br
steve
Title: Re: Stanley Meyers Resonate Circuit A Must See
Post by: Hidden on November 10, 2008, 18:37:22 pm
where are you gonna get that diode wich stops 40k volts but lets pass high amp flow ?