Ionizationx: a clean environment is a human right!

General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Bubz on April 05, 2010, 15:53:04 pm

Title: To Choke Or Not To Choke Part II
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2010, 15:53:04 pm
With a few personal discoveries and minor breakthroughs, I have found a clearer path to understanding the works of Stan Meyer. As some of have read my earlier posts discussing how a resistance can be used on the cathode end of the VIC circuit to allow the voltage to rise without a voltage drop and restricting current, this post will be an exploration of the "Resonant Charging Chokes" and the characteristics they exhibit. I feel this part of the VIC is very much needed to be explored and fully understood as it is a major factor in the overall circuit.

I have been slowly acquiring new research equipment for this very venture which hopefully will be complete today as I eagerly await the mailman. I have most of my lab setup for today's tests, but I am waiting for a high voltage probe meter(40Kv) and some other odds and ends. Where are you Mr. Mailman!? Even if the goods do not show up today, I have enough to do some easy tests and we will see what we get.

To start the day off, I have wound a choke coil as described by Dynodon in another thread. 14 turns per layer, 4 layers thick of 19AWG bifilar. My goal is to find resonant frequencies of this coil and other phenomena they may result from certain frequencies. The Tools consist of a Function Generator, Digital Multimeter, and a light bulb. If my luck is good today, I'll have a high voltage meter for the good stuff. So, I'll get started and get back to this post as I progress. I'm slow so don't wait up for me...
Title: Re: To Choke Or Not To Choke Part II
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2010, 16:18:58 pm
Nice work, I'll be building this coil after exams.

If my memory is correct, I think Dynodon said there was paper or cardboard from a cereal box as insulation between each layer. This might be a useful consideration depending on how the voltage performs.

When I catch up with you we can start comparing results.
Title: Re: To Choke Or Not To Choke Part II
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2010, 16:22:35 pm
i'd use oil as the insulator, that way you won't have gaps in insulation like air or other "leaky" spots
Title: Re: To Choke Or Not To Choke Part II
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2010, 17:00:11 pm
Probably wax paper as from a cereal box container but I defer to Dynodon to definitively answer that.  And wax paper and oil have dielectric properties.  Even vacuum has a dielectric property.  There is no perfect insulator.

Andy
Title: Re: To Choke Or Not To Choke Part II
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2010, 18:47:22 pm
I am glad to see some renewed interest in the kind of experiments that should lead to real results. We know exactly how this coil was wound, and we can advance step by step from these results.

Are you actually using an ec52 core? I can't find any unless I want to buy a $75 minimum order, so i'l be using cores out of CRT monitor flybacks.
Title: Re: To Choke Or Not To Choke Part II
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 06, 2010, 02:58:58 am
OK! I spent the day playing around with various coils and didn't find too much. The one thing I did notice is the choke coil does not resonate or is in constant resonance? No matter what frequency I put through it, it stays the same in voltage and current. Voltage levels tested were 12V and under. I wonder if the power levels I am using are too low to see any anomalies? Back to the lab!
Title: Re: To Choke Or Not To Choke Part II
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 06, 2010, 05:06:30 am
that system requires at least 30 volts input to start working, the test results graph shows it going up to 80 volts, this one was powered through the variac, so 12v wont be enough
Title: Re: To Choke Or Not To Choke Part II
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 06, 2010, 12:40:54 pm
OK! I spent the day playing around with various coils and didn't find too much. The one thing I did notice is the choke coil does not resonate or is in constant resonance? No matter what frequency I put through it, it stays the same in voltage and current. Voltage levels tested were 12V and under. I wonder if the power levels I am using are too low to see any anomalies? Back to the lab!

Did you use any "crowbar diodes"?

Steve
Title: Re: To Choke Or Not To Choke Part II
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 06, 2010, 13:46:14 pm
What is a "crowbar diode"? I did test with and without diodes. I did not notice much more than the diode adding a little resistance.
Title: Re: To Choke Or Not To Choke Part II
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 06, 2010, 14:12:43 pm
He's probably talking about Zener-Diodes, judging by the symbol of them.
They conduct at a specific voltage in both directions.
Title: Re: To Choke Or Not To Choke Part II
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 06, 2010, 21:00:49 pm
No. Its a normal diode.
The name crowbar is because of the place of it.

The diagram is as follows: + diode coil tubeset coil Fet ground.
The crowbar diode is placed like this:  a diode placed from the end of the second coil towards the input of the first coil.
Now tune in....

Steve
Title: Re: To Choke Or Not To Choke Part II
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 19, 2010, 22:34:09 pm
Hey bubs, ant results on your coil yet?
I just finished mine,
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture4-4.png)
Title: Re: To Choke Or Not To Choke Part II
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 20, 2010, 00:22:58 am
Nice! I hate to say it, I have done nothing other than try to find a resonant frequency of which I cannot. Any other regular coil? Yes, but not this one. I am going to take your advice from earlier and increase the power input and see how much it will take before it gets hot. I figure if there is no resonant frequency of the coil, I should be able to use just about any frequency like 60-120Hz and it should not make much of a difference as far as the coil goes. I have to admit, I was taken back by my results and I'm having to rethink a bit.

I have acquired a small Bipolar Tesla Coil for high voltage research. It's maximum output is around 185Kv which easily will spark an eight inch or more gap. For the most part, I have been studying coronal discharge through the air with make shift plates and such. I bought a 100Kv diode for it too that I haven't even begun to test yet. It's a whole new world with high voltage for me and I am in the learning process still.

So what have you found out with your coil so far Donald? How do you make a split core stay together? Glue? I fricken dropped one of the core halves and broke the damned thing! Ugh! I tried to use it anyway and didn't see any differences with or without it with such low power. Keep me updated with your tests. I am so curious as to what you find in your results.
Title: Re: To Choke Or Not To Choke Part II
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 20, 2010, 01:05:31 am
Haven't hooked it up yet, still need some parts for the pulsing set up, but i might try hooking it up to just the bridge rectifier and see what it does on 120 hz dc...

the core came out of a fly back, i have a few of them and i used my smallest one, as the closest size to stans coil, the core has a metal clip on it that holds the two halves together. I have broken one or two before, trying to get them out of the fkybacks... sometimes they have glue or varnish on them that makes them hard to take apart

I just pick up one of my half-dozen 10,000 volt furnace ignition transformers, and i may build a jaccobs ladder, or tesla coil with it, and maybe see what it can do to a wfc, if anything at all...