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Electrolysis => Fuel Cells => Tube Cells => Topic started by: jbhuffinstuff on February 10, 2008, 05:15:54 am

Title: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 10, 2008, 05:15:54 am
this is my cell started making it on tuesday insted of sticking rubber in between tube i drilled holes and put in teflon buttons finished assembly today would have picture of gas flow  it started producing pretty good gas after about five minutes of messing with then it instantly surged my power supply and  blew power supply and house breaker i think the diode blew but i didnt check yet tommrows another day
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 10, 2008, 05:51:32 am
Thats a very very nice cell setup, i am really honered to have you and your cell on my forum! ii couldn't blow them up because i'm on dialup, can you please make the pictures smaller in size, they're pretty big.

thanks.
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 10, 2008, 11:47:17 am
James,

looking create. Nice cell.

keep on going!

br
steve
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 10, 2008, 15:36:14 pm
you can put them in paint shop and resize them to.... id really like to see them but your pictures is olmost 6MB in size. theres no way i can blow all of them up.
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 10, 2008, 17:27:35 pm
i fixed your pictures, i think they look much better to!

welcome to the forum dude, your cell is really top of the line, i love the tube holders to! what is your cell gap?
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 10, 2008, 21:59:56 pm
Nice looking cell.  It looks like you are going for 'tuned' cell.   Will  it vibrate/ring when you hit it?
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 13, 2008, 03:51:14 am
Jb that cell is clean! i can tell by looking at it you've put alot of time into it, it's stunning to see people coming together here and posting their stuff, from what i see there's several people here with top of the line cells! Thanks again for your pictures it is much appreciated, i'm very honored for you even posting this here!!!
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 13, 2008, 17:20:23 pm
Looks really good. What did you use to notch the top's of the outer pipes?
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2008, 06:14:17 am
notches are done with a bridgeport milling machine 1/4 wide x 1 1/4 deep

(http://www.p-h-s.co.uk/Bridgeport/mill.jpg)
Like this?
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2008, 17:44:02 pm
     Really sharp looking cell.  I can't wait till I get my parts in, I guess when that next load of sunlight gets pumped in.
I have seen a lot of nice cells on this forum, And quite a bit of innovation, and hard work

Spike
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2008, 17:48:11 pm
mines a little  bigger but that would do it

holy cow can i come over and play?    :D
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 05, 2008, 20:09:01 pm
LOOKS GREAT TOPSY!!! ;D

Gives me some more motivation to work on mine.

Spike
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 05, 2008, 21:24:32 pm
i like ur handcraft guys, nice detail`s and look like l000ts of HHO
they seem more and more like pice`s of art  :o


Mr Browngass
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 05, 2008, 22:34:14 pm
Cool!  Man, I'm so close, I cant wait!   Have you conditioned your tubes yet?
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 05, 2008, 23:45:18 pm
Cool!  Man, I'm so close, I cant wait!   Have you conditioned your tubes yet?

Everybody must do what they do.
I didnt conditioned any of my tubes. As far as I can see, its a waist of time.
And my production is very good.

br
Steve
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 07, 2008, 09:23:05 am
James

Looks great!!
Have you tried to measure the gas ouput in liters per minute?
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 07, 2008, 11:10:41 am
Anybody have any ideas  what kind of dc motor you could power the alt with?  How many amps would the dc motor  pull?

Tim

atleast 13 amps on freespin, its not the way to go.
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2008, 20:03:35 pm
Cool!  Man, I'm so close, I cant wait!   Have you conditioned your tubes yet?

Everybody must do what they do.
I didnt conditioned any of my tubes. As far as I can see, its a waist of time.
And my production is very good.

br
Steve

I now agree steve
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2008, 23:31:49 pm
I didn't condition my tubes either, And they seem to work fine.

Spike
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 18, 2008, 08:06:56 am
Aloha,
For your info, in case you don't already know- Cell Design is of primary importance.
Many are concerned with surface area but this is not of primary importance.
Many think that amps are important. Surface area and amps are relative.
Cell design is first. Too much surface area (or too little) can actually diminish production.
Same with amps, amps are not directly related to production.
For an example, you may wany to look at my project pages posted at oupower.com,
mrgalleria, Mr. G cell.
Flat plates have the disadvantage of electronically working against each other,
thus not providing a smooth flow of current.
Tubes have the disadvantage of having unequal surface areas.
Bill
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2008, 05:36:01 am
James, I'm a new builder and was curious where you obtained your teflon bumpers from? Do you have a part number or the manufacturers name that made them?

Your tubes electrical lugs/legs are a very clever 2 in 1 solution. How did you go about cutting them? Did you hand cut them with a metal bandsaw or mill them on the milling machine? I also assume you drilled the bolt holes while the tubes where still intact?

I also assume the curve on the legs would have to be flattened out before you made your 90 degree bend. How did you flatten that section? A Vise?
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2008, 06:03:22 am
sorry to say their is no part number for the teflon bumpers i made them all from scratch

the only thing i found close are furniture plugs from home depot but you would need a smaller gap than i have  around 1mm or less

as for the legs i rought cut them out with a bandsaw to remove the bulk  then cleaned them up with a milling machine

i did flatten them out buy using two pieces of 1 x 1 tool steel and squeezed it in a vise

then i took one piece of tool steel and ground a raidus on it  clamped the tube the approprate way and bent it over

the radius is extremly important other wise the  ss material will crack or tear in the corner with out the relief   i would try a test piece

you have to  drill the holes last otherwise it will break of when you bend the foot over

happy building




Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2008, 07:53:25 am
Thanks for your quick response. Forgive me but I need to press you further. What did you fashion the bumpers from?

It looks like teflon / nylon drill rod? If so, did you spin the rod on the lathe, take half of the bumpers diameter down from say 1/4 to a hair over 1/8, then part them off into nice little " T " shaped pellets?

I assume you would make the bumpers a hair oversize of what you drilled the SS tubes so as to obtain a nice one time press fit? No loctite prism glue or anything like that holding the bumpers in place which could possibly contaminate the water right?
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2008, 08:18:13 am
Think I found a bumper solution....

I own an industrial supply shop in Manitoba Canada. I purchase from this company and think part number 305-002 (H dimension is 1.52mm) should suffice as my gap is exactly 1.52 mm by using .625OD x .065 wall x .495 ID (stainless inner tube) and .875 x .065 x .745 (stainless outer tube)

The other dimensions are nice too. 1/8 hole, grip range is good as well...woohoo!!


Here's the link... http://www.spaenaur.com/view_pdf.asp?Page=E46
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 18, 2008, 06:18:45 am
first video i have ever take so i can start a you  tube channel  this is nothing special just  an alternator with some inductors and resistance  added in  in dont know the gas out put i havent measured it im waiting for an accurate flow meter gauge to work with on another hho project im doing  http://www.youtube.com/dudleyengineering (http://www.youtube.com/dudleyengineering)
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 18, 2008, 15:08:57 pm
dudleyengineering

I left you a rating, and a comment.
But the one question I have for you is. Is that straight tap  water turning that reddish color? Or that just my screen. The first cell I built, Would turn brown. In no time. Even after I filtered the water, It stayed a little yellow. But I haven't seen red.

BTW beautiful O scope read out.

Spike
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 18, 2008, 15:53:35 pm
the water is over 70 percent distilled and the rest tap water the redish stuff is  definatly not  minerals in the water and their are no additives cause i have filtered it so many times it cant be any left in it in fact i filter it 20 minitues before i took the video  and i ran it just long enought to the wave form come back to a step charge i have made a set of caps that have tubes on the top of them so the exiting gas never mixes around in side the top of the water  it seems like it dosent make the brown stuff  when their on it i think the brown stuff has some thing to do with the electron itself  with the cap with a plastic extension tube  you wont get the resonant type wave form  because the tubes dont seem to sync up i am now making the extension tubes out of stainless so it will ground thru the water and they will sync  the only thing i have found that comes close to explaining the red stuff is in one of meyers canadian patents it shows  the water molecule  and in it their is a blob in the oxygen molecule it shows when the water splits the blob goes seperate  from the oxygen and hydrogen  then the electrons are reacting with it
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 18, 2008, 16:51:01 pm
Oke, James!

Nice vid. So you used destilled. Is it possible to get the same results with tapwater?

Br
Steve
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 18, 2008, 17:39:54 pm
Very nice video, i think using tap water with no additives should be the way because if your on the road and no distilled water is available and need to use tap water or river water it gives you different results so I'm trying to get as close as possible  to what's out there.
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 18, 2008, 18:31:19 pm
when that muck gets so thick i cant see anything inside is when it runs the best if i was to let it run about  three more hours till the water gets real hot the muck reabsorbs then let it cool off  and run it after the out put is  alot higher to  it works with tap water just as well just takes a few hours till it will hold the wave form thou  i also found putting a restriction on the output end of the tube rasied my voltage and amperage in the gap and also increased the gas output  plus makes the step charges  crisper and go just a little higer  i think the backpressure helps kinda like a tuned exhaust on a  gas engine  the smaller hole was better than a larger one  these caps have  a 1/8 hole but the presure blows them off some times  5/16 wasnt as good    i think it is alot of gas for 5.5 inch tubes
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 18, 2008, 20:00:11 pm
when that muck gets so thick i cant see anything inside is when it runs the best if i was to let it run about  three more hours till the water gets real hot the muck reabsorbs then let it cool off  and run it after the out put is  alot higher to  it works with tap water just as well just takes a few hours till it will hold the wave form thou  i also found putting a restriction on the output end of the tube rasied my voltage and amperage in the gap and also increased the gas output  plus makes the step charges  crisper and go just a little higer  i think the backpressure helps kinda like a tuned exhaust on a  gas engine  the smaller hole was better than a larger one  these caps have  a 1/8 hole but the presure blows them off some times  5/16 wasnt as good    i think it is alot of gas for 5.5 inch tubes

if you leave it run for more hours you'll have a black muck and yes production get higher base on observation
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 20, 2008, 15:46:27 pm
Bad to the bone cell James.  Great Job!!
Title: Re: james cell
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 20, 2008, 21:22:18 pm

  Any of you guys bubble the gas through a sulphuric acid water bath, to measure the HYDROGEN output ???  Might y'all be making more water vapor and not more H&O ???  Just a question ???