Electrolysis => Electrolysis => Our Alternator => Topic started by: jose421 on July 31, 2008, 21:31:41 pm
Title: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 31, 2008, 21:31:41 pm
Hi guys after one year and half studying studying reading and reading with lot of ideas ==> time to jump to water! Bought today and alternator+ electrical motor to spin it .
All the schematics show star connection , (were in practice I should see just 1 wire wdge going to diodes) Here im my alternator i see 3 group of 2 wires which looks to me triangle connection of the stator winding. the question:
Should I disconnect the triangle winding connection and re connect as star connection or ...who cares ...does matter to much..?
Thank you fellows
Yossi Tal
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 01, 2008, 02:31:56 am
Hey Jose421
I run a stock 1969 Chevy alternator, Without built in regulator. No modifications. ;D
Spike
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 01, 2008, 09:43:14 am
Hi Spike
Thanks .
Do you know which stator winding configuration do you have in you alternator triangle or star?
Best regard Yossi
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 01, 2008, 15:08:37 pm
H James
Thank you ! Your answers was very clear !. Now Ihave leart : what you call in US delta connection I have been taught in engineering and called triangle connection and what you call whye connection I call star connection.
Yes My alternator do not have midle point neutral but has 3 groups of 2 windings edges together so that apparently is a DELTA conneaction, high amps but relative low voltage.
Well I will disconnectwindings and connect them Whye
Thank you James
Yossi
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 01, 2008, 16:24:56 pm
;D Here is a basic Delco alternator wiring ;D
Minus the regulator of coarse.
Spike
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 01, 2008, 21:22:00 pm
Hi James
correct me if am wrong: If i leave the delta connection, would I need to higher RPM in order to get the same voltage comparing to Y connection? In others words , can i get the same results as using Y conection?
Thank you Yossi
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2008, 10:16:58 am
Hi James Thank you, Forgot to mention : the regulator is out , so you right ! no limit (almost..) to high voltage and amperage stator can climb so I must be carefull.
Good you pay me attention to that!!
Heyy I have a question for you :
You said you activate your alternator with a 5HP electrical engine, that is huge energy ~ 4000watts!!
When you are experementing WFC ,do you monitor the torque or the amparage of that 5HP motor ? That motor is input energy, so it is relevant to know its input wattage to know where you are in term of efficiency.
Many Thanks Yossi
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 03, 2008, 10:37:46 am
Hi James
Thank you again .
I will start experimenting WFC by the end of that week where 2 issues have to be accomplished:
1) I have sent a mechanical drawing for a shaft interconnection between Alternator to 12VDC motor 2) Windings 3 kinds of Bi filar coils ( 300 turns, 500 turns and 1000 turns).
So far I will eexperiment using 1 SS tube . If things will looks good I will add more tube and report to forum.
BTW and that is for all of us:
I have a theory/assumption why is to difficult to reach the 700% and up efficiecy :
Most of us are using square waves. There is aproblem with that and that is because square waves, according to Fourrier transfer series , contains endless sinewave at different frequencies and harmonies AND one of them hits!!
Lets compare that to an automatic machine gun vs a sharp shooter rifle with telescopic lens:
The target:
One tiny bird at 2 miles distances zig zaging at 150Km per hour ( in the WFC the resonant frequency is constanlty and widly changing!!!)
With the automatic machine gun, no need to be accurate you pull the trigger , and one of the bullet will hit.
[but you waisted 200 bullets!!]
Now Sharp shhoter rifle with telescopic lens waist an accurate single bullet!!
Here is where the secret of 700% efficiency is found with the WFC
How to be lock constanly on the wild changing resonance frequency using harmonic sine wave and not square wave.
Best regards Good luck to all of us with the hard project
Yossi
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 03, 2008, 12:58:29 pm
Yossi,
Welcome onboard. Nice to see another person freshly starting with WFC's.
I read yr theory about squarewaves vs sinewaves. Question: you want to use a sinewave? like AC?
br Steve
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 03, 2008, 13:36:47 pm
Hi Steve
Yes am about to use sine wave using signal wave generator with FM modulation option by which the resonant frequency will be corrected constantly by mean of the votlage fluctuation coming form another winding on the bifilar coils as sensing.
The flow diagram is:
Sine wave from signal generator ==> Audio HI-FI power amp==> atreanator rotor ==> induced stator ==>rectification==> voltage elevation==> pick up sensing coil on bifilar windings ==> back to the signal generator.
I will report accurate set up as soon 1st significant findings.
As I told previoiusly to James I will start dealing with that just by the end of that week when all bill of materials ready.
Yossi
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 03, 2008, 17:39:06 pm
Ok, yossi,
thanks for explaining yr setup and good luck with yr coming tests! I am looking forward to yr results.
br steve
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 03, 2008, 19:11:19 pm
Hi Stevie
You can count on that that I will send my detailed schematic. I mean the final and improved corrected with good efficiency. I do believe the pulsing electrolysis.
Made few days ago a small WFC simple one and cute one with 2 transistors and feedback which correct "automatically " the resonance frequency and got nice bubles with 15V 5ma.
To prove to myself that the method works, I did the same experiment with conventional electrolysis using current limiting of 5 ma and 15 voltage...
and nothing occured in the water!
The technique workss that for sure... now to make it on big scale with 700%efficiency or more.
Hard work ahead Good and God Luck with us!
Yossi
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 03, 2008, 20:08:31 pm
You can count on that that I will send my detailed schematic. I mean the final and improved corrected with good efficiency. I do believe the pulsing electrolysis.
Made few days ago a small WFC simple one and cute one with 2 transistors and feedback which correct "automatically " the resonance frequency and got nice bubles with 15V 5ma.
To prove to myself that the method works, I did the same experiment with conventional electrolysis using current limiting of 5 ma and 15 voltage...
and nothing occured in the water!
The technique workss that for sure... now to make it on big scale with 700%efficiency or more.
Hard work ahead Good and God Luck with us!
Yossi
yossie,
can you publish that little testsetup in detail? I know some people who want to see the same results as you did.
br steve
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 03, 2008, 20:50:26 pm
Sure Stevie It is in you tube
watch_response
That fellows veRy serious and smart . Here in that diagram the resonnance is self held even if capacitance of the water changes.
I duplicated the ciruit and worked 1st shot without aANY calculation, of how many windings, size of electrodes, as everytjhing was soLdered (10mn) it works and cute!!! 15v 5ma and very nice bubles.
tHAT KIND OF CIRCUITRY GOES INTO SELF OSCILLATION BY ITSELF NO MATTER VALUES OF COMPONENTS, IN OTHER WORDS CHASES BY ITSELF THE REQUIRES RESONANCE FREQUENCY AND UPDATES IT ACCORDING TO WATER PARAMETERS CHANGES.
What am trying to do is purely based on that but with greater energy
Remember !! Natural harmonics sine wave " AUTOMATIC" self oscillations NO SQUARE WAVES.
Best regards Yossi
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 03, 2008, 22:37:31 pm
Yossie,
did you use exact the same components, or did you replace some or added some? And what kind of water did you use? Tapwater or destilled? With additives or without? br steve
ps. Any vids or pics of yr setup would be nice
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 03, 2008, 23:25:13 pm
DAMM I wish I could watch youtube videos. :( :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 04, 2008, 04:30:49 am
DAMM I wish I could watch youtube videos. :( :( :( :( :( :(
Well here you go!!! its just 2 pics and a battel cry!
and Jose, great circuit!
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 04, 2008, 05:46:35 am
Hi friends OK I will rebuid the same litle set up again (anyway am waiting for bill of material fir the big one ) , will draw exactly which components I have in the set up , explain and send it all to the forum + attachments
Good luck
Yossi
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 04, 2008, 05:50:30 am
One more thing!!
forgot to tell
the "litle" setup was run with distilled water.
br Yossi
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 04, 2008, 11:07:16 am
Hi friends OK I will rebuid the same litle set up again (anyway am waiting for bill of material fir the big one ) , will draw exactly which components I have in the set up , explain and send it all to the forum + attachments
Good luck
Yossi
Thanks Yossi,
Looking forward to your component list!
br Steve
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 04, 2008, 14:15:29 pm
Hi Steve
Here is the set up of the " mini cell"
I Did today again the experiment and want to correct a mistake about the amperage reading that I previously reported .
Apologize for that .
I run voltages between 10V ~ 25V and the amperage was not 5ma but 50ma
Some comments:
1) in The original drawing of "TheGuru2you" in you tube, there was missing the rectifying diode D1. 2) R2 100 Ohm should be 5watts minimum. 3) I am re-using a custom made ferrite transformer with many windings. For that experiment enough to have any 1 to 15 ratio transformer. 4) The rotary SW1 is optional eiher to play with diffrernt frequencies either to easely adapt to to your HHO cell 5) DON'T EXPECT TO PROPULSE YOUR CAR WITH THAT MODEL!!!==> the circuit just show that resonant pulsating high voltage does create electrlysisl 6) I used distilled water. Somehow did not try with tap water yet..
Here attached below my schematics with components values.
Best regard Yossi
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 04, 2008, 14:54:00 pm
Yossi
;D You think you can draw one up to work with mine ;D
Spike
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 04, 2008, 15:05:43 pm
Am optimist !!!
a baby crawl first then he fly !!!
see you Yossi
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 04, 2008, 15:20:21 pm
Yossi
It was worth a shot ;D
Spike
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 04, 2008, 16:35:49 pm
I Did today again the experiment and want to correct a mistake about the amperage reading that I previously reported .
Apologize for that .
I run voltages between 10V ~ 25V and the amperage was not 5ma but 50ma
Some comments:
1) in The original drawing of "TheGuru2you" in you tube, there was missing the rectifying diode D1. 2) R2 100 Ohm should be 5watts minimum. 3) I am re-using a custom made ferrite transformer with many windings. For that experiment enough to have any 1 to 15 ratio transformer. 4) The rotary SW1 is optional eiher to play with diffrernt frequencies either to easely adapt to to your HHO cell 5) DON'T EXPECT TO PROPULSE YOUR CAR WITH THAT MODEL!!!==> the circuit just show that resonant pulsating high voltage does create electrlysisl 6) I used distilled water. Somehow did not try with tap water yet..
Here attached below my schematics with components values.
Best regard Yossi
Thank you Yossi,
Well done! Lets see if anyone here can replicate your work to confirm your great looking schematic.
br Steve
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 04, 2008, 16:50:12 pm
Hi Steve and forum
Thanks Steve!
For those specially who want to duplicate that easy set up.
That cicuitry enter imediately to resonnance and it is audible form the transformer whisteling. In case no resonance, swap transformer sensing windings pin 10 and 1.
Then it is possible to play with potentiometer R4 and input voltge from 6V to 20V until good spot is obtained. Watch always Ameter vs bubles.
Good luck and again to evryone: DO NOT HANG GREAT EXPECTATION FROM THAT SET UP.
Best Regards Yossi
Title: Re: Alternator stator: Triangle connection or star connection
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 14, 2008, 04:43:40 am
When you remove an internal regulator from an alternator, is there any jumper wires that have to be soldered back in place or anything? Does it just come out and thats it? I have it almost apart but I'm tired so I will continue tomorrow. Hopefully I can have it all set up tomorrow evening.