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Steve:
The theory behind all this is that hydrogen that is released by help of the electrolysis proces is capable of bonding with other atoms.
 
Nitrogen atoms have five electrons in their outer ring, but they have room for eight electrons there.
Because that nitrogen atom is an electron negative atom and the hydrogen is a positive atom, they can bond.
you will get NH3 = ammonia......yes sir.

So, now you have 2 atoms. One who is big and can use extra electrons and who is chasing towards those extra electrons and one small hydrogen atom with his own little electron.
Guess who wins the battle?

Stan explained this proces very precise in his video.
The nitrogen atom acts the same as an oxygen atom. Both want extra electrons.
That poor little Hydrogen atom........Some of it will go towards the oxygen atom and become water and some will become ammonia or even something else...

You are right. We dont know what kind of gass we will have, if we dont test the gas in a lab.

All we can do is make an ionizer for air and see if the engine reacts of the ionized air. If it does, then its time to go to a lab for some tests.

Steve








Dynodon:
Stan had his gasses tested after they were, made at a lab,and it came out two parts hydrogen to one part oxygen.It's in the videos and the evaluation report to.
No mention of ammonia.
Don

qiman:

--- Quote from: Dynodon on February 16, 2010, 15:31:40 pm ---Stan had his gasses tested after they were, made at a lab,and it came out two parts hydrogen to one part oxygen.It's in the videos and the evaluation report to.
No mention of ammonia.
Don

--- End quote ---

Just because Stan doesn't discuss ammonia - the ace in his sleeve, that doesn't mean it isn't there.

Anyone can use their nose to verify ammonia creation - it doesn't take very much.

Davy 1807 - "nitrogen will bind to electrolytic hydrogen in the presence of water" when it normally
won't bind to other hydrogen.

Search Storch & Olson, etc... it is all spelled out in no uncertain terms.

I think it assumes a lot that Stan's patents, etc.... can be taken word for word. He obviously
wants to protect his intellectual property. Also, if you go on anything based on everything he
says in his own documents, you get the corresponding results - hence, lack of water powered
dune buggy replications anywhere.

All the people that are getting results - real thermal release just just fast quick hho popping,
are creating ammonia point of use.

Study Langmuir.

And release energy potential from ammonia? Use real plasma ignition and not regular spark.

Logic:
I dont understand Steve;  The whole point of producing amonia would be to get it into a compact form that can be stored in a 'fuel' tank.
Its a damn good idea if you use solar, wind or hydroelectric power to produce H and then NH3 which is easily handled in the same fashion as petrol.

I see no point in producing amonia on-board except for the fact that H takes up a lot of room in the combustion chamber which decreases power, relative to a petrol powered engine??

qiman:

--- Quote from: Logic on February 16, 2010, 19:35:19 pm ---I see no point in producing amonia on-board except for the fact that H takes up a lot of room in the combustion chamber which decreases power, relative to a petrol powered engine??

--- End quote ---

Atomic hydrogen has 3 times the power of H2. You cannot contain atomic hydrogen that is introduced
into the engine, you will lose it past the rings, etc... You need a bigger molecule that will carry hydrogen
into the engine and THEN have atomic hydrogen freed AFTER compression and when the plasma
ignition hits.

If you try to produce atomic hydrogen from the WFC, which you will not succeed - it simply combines
back to HOH or HHO. So creating a lot of water gas in hopes of providing a lot of hydrogen in HOH,
HHO or even atomic hydrogen isn't even the point of the WFC. (0.3 liters per minute is the cell setup
that Stan recommends "small scale" according to the referenced page). Most others with WORKING
knowledge of water fuel are making 3-6 liters per minute so more than Stan recommends but
A LOT LESS than is really needed to run an entire engine on HHO because running the engine on
HHO is not what Stan Meyer was doing. Every cell he ever showed running in any video never showed
enough HHO production to run an entire car engine on just HHO.

Small 600cc engines can work with just HHO to run it but then hook it to
a generator and make enough electricity from that to make its own HHO. It won't work because
you're only getting a fraction of the power from hydrogen by burning it HHO form.

HHO (small amounts) is only a catalyst that
when the plasma hits, there is dissociation of diatomic hydrogen into atomic hydrogen. This small
amount of hydrogen that is sourced from HHO or HOH is burned and nh3 in presence of atomic
hydrogen and atomic oxygen is extremely combustible. The ammonia is your main source of hydrogen.
Remember there is heat and pressure at this point.

The exhaust is a tiny amount of h2o and a lot of nitrogen. There can be traces of nitrogen oxide type
compounds that can be recycled.

Between those that have success, they each have their own specific viewpoints on the sequence
of steps in the reactions. However, there is no debate about the fact about ammonia.

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