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## Electrolysis => Fuel Cells => Measuring Output => Topic started by: hydro on May 02, 2008, 05:08:25 am

Title: Hydrocars Gas Production
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 02, 2008, 05:08:25 am
a AutoZone Amp meter was used to measure the amps, a small yellow volt meter from Radioshack was used to measure the volts.

Amps to the cell was in the 35 amp range, the volts across was 25 volts, 875 watts.

1 2 liter Bottle was filled with water, a 591 CC Bottle was filled with water upside down inside the 2 liter bottle.

The 591cc bottle was marked, took to the kitchen and filled the bottle to that mark, i then poured the water from the 591 cc bottle into a measuring cup, it measured to be just a little more than 500 ML or cc's.

so 500 ML in 1 min, the rotor was at 2 amps 9  volts, 18 watts. Production per second is 8.4 cc's a sec OR .70 cc's per tube per second.

This is my new production with 12 tubes with the Old alternator setup without a cap, and without self sustain. just pulse the rotor and hook cell to the alternator.

Title: Re: Hydrocars Gas Production
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 04, 2008, 23:44:53 pm

Thats 7.2 % effecient.

This from the how stan powered his altnerator page: [page 8]

In a collected volume of HHO gas the amount of hydrogen energy will be 7744 Joules pr liter collected gas.

Electrical energy is as known purely E (Joules) = Voltage * Amperage * electrolysis duration time

So efficiency where H2 and O2 gas is collected together is;

EFFICIENCY = 7744* V1 / (U*I*t)   where

V1= Collected H2/O2 volume measured in liters
U = Electrical input voltage
I = Amperage during electrolysis
t = Time of electrolysis measured in seconds

multiply above by 100 to get % efficiency in terms of input joules output joules

substituting: 7744* 0.5 litres /  (25 volts*35amps*60secs) = .0737

or 7.37% percent efficient in terms of energy conversion.

This will be the exact same output of regular straight DC electrolysis without electrolyte.

I am sure the True efficiency will be even lower if you calculate the input not as 875 watts output by the alternator but the watts consumed by the drive motor.

Stan got  180% overunity using the same formula for the figures he provided in page 60 of his international testing data document. 7000cc or 7 liters per minute 500 watts.

Long ways to go hydro to achieve any effieciency remotely close to stans efficecncy.

do you have any thoughts on this:

The guy in this video has on clue about hho but this video is on the overunity forum and the waterfuel forum.
Title: Re: Hydrocars Gas Production
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2008, 07:36:14 am
yes waterfalcon, there is much we still dont understand... maybe together we can make it happen;)
Title: Re: Hydrocars Gas Production
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2008, 08:07:50 am
Hydrocars

Great progress!
I have been doing a lot of experimentation with series cells lately (using a little bit of NaOH added to my water)
The one thing I realized is that for "normal" electrolysis, the maximum amount of gas is being produced if
each individual cell only receives +- 2 VDC.
I am not going into the details here now, but as an example, for the same amount of amps consumed, you will always find that 2 cells with 2V across each will produce more gas than one cell with 4V across. (For "normal" electrolysis we only need 2V for the electrolysis action to take place and the remaining volts are simply generating waste heat)

In your setup, I suspect you have 12 cells connected in parallel, so you have 25 Volts across each cell.
Why don't you try to connect your tubes so that you have 6 parallel sets with 2 cells in series for each set.
Thus you will end up with +-12V across each cell which should give you higher gas production relative to the total amount of power consumed.
Even though 2V per cell is the ideal (if chemicals is used), I would not go lower than 12V per cell in your case, because you are not using any chemicals and going lower than 12V per cell might result in very little current flow.

When you have some time you can maybe test what your gas production with a 2 x 6 parallel stup would be?
We might just be surprised...

Wouter
Title: Re: Hydrocars Gas Production
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2008, 08:50:48 am
i've tested every possible combination with tubes, the best gas performance is parallel... if you put tubes in series it creates problems. its not like plated, the tubes are in a circle. if series turns out to be better without additives then i'm all for it.

i am working hard to work less, my only hope is to produce atleast 1 liter of gas without additives a min! If any of you know of a cell that does not use additives and can produces 1 liter please point me to it.

Title: Re: Hydrocars Gas Production
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2008, 12:37:45 pm
Hi people,

What we are doing is electrolysis.
That means that Amps is the thing.
That also means that you need low ohms.
And low ohms you will get that with tubes in parallel.

br
Steve
Title: Re: Hydrocars Gas Production
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2008, 18:02:54 pm

stevie, also the higher the tubes the less resistances as well, so if you got a small gap and long tube, the resistance can be to small!

This is why i think stanly chose 10 inch tubes with an 8th inch gap, he got resonance with those 9 tubes, this is why we have no success in resonance i bet, you have to use the proper cell with the proper freq like stan did before the water will start to move and oscillate.

after time,, my tubes are 316L, this could also be why i have bad luck with finding resonance ???
Title: Re: Hydrocars Gas Production
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2008, 20:46:50 pm
I point to me with the new rebuild of my old cell, it's just insane m8

Mr Brown
Brownsgass

Nice gas production!! How many liters per minute at how many amps?
Am I right in saying that you have 16 clusters of 3 cells in series, resulting in 4V across each cell, and the clusters are connected in parallel (similar to what I suggested earlier)?

Wouter
Title: Re: Hydrocars Gas Production
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2008, 12:56:58 pm
Brown gas, i like your cell bud,, but what can the cell do without additives? thanks
Title: Re: Hydrocars Gas Production
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 07, 2008, 04:02:21 am
Thatâ€™s kinda weird I got much more gunk in my water when I ran a KOH mix. With tap water its a piss colored water but fairly clean. The thing I noticed the most is when I stopped using additives I have very little heat.